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36ers to take coaching applications

I know phil isnt known as a developer but is his development that bad, like look how Jacob and Oscar improved each year whilst at the 36ers, then both moved on, i think one reason was for better development of there games and they havnt exactly had break outs and have really stayed at the same level they were when they left. I think that is also a reason Ingles went else where, also to follow Ninnis, but yea look whats going on in the Dragons and im sure Phil would have been atleast as good if not better for Ingles than Heal was as coach, my guess would be Phil would be alot better,the only difference is Phil probably would of given him a smaller role initially, a bit like he did with Jacob and Oscar, then build there minutes as they improve, but the 36ers would be winning more than they are and alot more than the Dragons if he was here thats for sure.
Guys like Catt flourished under Phil, Ng has had a break out season playing his whole career under Phil and improved each season.
Im not saying Phil is the greatest developer but maybe he isnt that bad, and focuses more on getting the best players regardless of age ie recruiting a Brad Davidson, rather than young players as he believes thats how you win, and he has had some success with more veteran guys so i can see why he thinks that. The result being 3 titles in 11 seasons hard to argue with his style. The rosters the last 3 or 4 years (not including this one) were put together on the cheap side because of the BASA situation, do you think Goorj or any coach woulda won the title or been top 4 with last years 36ers squad i doubt it. He can obviously coach, would guys like Mee, Brooks, Maher, Farley, Catt play more than one season for a guy who they dont think can coach, i doubt it. Remembering Brooks, Mee and now Hodge have all played NBA so would have had top coaches and none of them appear to dislike playing for Phil.
Im not totally apposed to change, but also wouldnt be too upset to see Phil back at the same time,if he goes through the process and proves to Mal he is the best available, maybe there isnt anyone available else out there better than Phil. Who is better than Phil out there??? Stacker, i dont think so, and other options like Ninnis and Beverage and Baldwan are all umproven at NBL level, with only Beverage having 1 year of NBL coaching experience, but hey it may be worth giving one of those guys a shot. I will be watching with interest to see who coaches next year and what players we are able to keep and get! please stay Hodge, Ballinger and NG!
Good luck to the 36ers and Phil for the future!

DoDaBonk, you hit the nail right on the head. Agree with every word you have written.

You are so right about the development of players being outside the NBL club they join. When you join a team at that level, you have to have the skills beforehand. Its like applying for any professional job, you have to have the credentials before you apply. Then it becomes just a case of learning the system according to the team you join and improving further by getting experience in playing at that level.

Glen - you missed the point entirely.

I have nothing but respect and admiration of womens basketball, and feel sorry they do not get the media, sponsorship and recognition that the male counterparts do.

Also, to this day, the best screen every set on me that sent me flying was done by Michelle Timms during one of these scratch matches.

But the fact remains, at this point of time, I have seen enough scratch matches over the last 15 years to backup my point - how many scratch matches with the women vs boys have you seen Glen?

C'mon Glen - I am not slagging the women, I just wanted to point out that whilst I believe Stirling could to a great job for the Sixers, it would a big step for her to make as womens and mens basketball are on such different levels and require different types of coaching.

Eh, no knocking the Curling! Very entertaining stuff.....

BTW any chance we can get a curling section on this here very forum?

Seriously don't like this approach at all.

Are they that scared that no-one better will apply. How do they propose to determine if someone is better.

It's time for charge and a simple, Thanks for all the good times Phil, it's time for a change of direction.

Coaches apply here - WTF?! You want QUALITY coaches GO AND CHASSE them get the players ideas, board ideas, fans ideas, everyones ideas. Draw up a hit list and work your way through it. Or at least pretend you are doing something pro-active about it.

This comes across as we can't be bothered getting out there and doing some hard yards. If your interested rock up on the door step and we'll see.

Not that we really want to compare too much to the Dragons poor season but from all reports they are throwing everything they have at 'questionably' the best coach in the league Goorj! (ok he's pretty darn good).

Here's a list just to look over Mal & Co (get in contact at the very least!)

Ninnis
Brooks
Sapwell
Bruton
Beveridge
Stacker
Baldwin
Ingham

(those are ones I thought of in about 10 seconds). Surely those in the know a bit more will provide a much larger list.

The Doctor - who do you think the women's teams scrimmage against for match practise? Several years ago you could have had Newley and Ingles playing Under 20 State against Lauren and Penny - actually, I reckon that could be a great 2 on 2 game to watch!

Dana

With the person that you have talked into holding off resignation - has he been losing the company money over the last two years (translation, losing games, not making finals?)

Just heard Phil on 5AA with Cornsey and KG,he said he will take 5 days off at the end of the season and get away and relax and decided whether he wants to apply or not, he said he thinks had the feeling if he said to Mal he wanted to keep going next year he would of been allowed to do so. He said it is also a good opportunity for the club to see what is out there and seemed confident if he wanted to apply his would stack up well against all the others.
Said one way the club would go he is impressive, just been there a while and we have taken some things for granted, or the other way they may decided he isnt as good as they thought and the other applicants are better and its time to change.
Phil said he would only coach Adelaide next season or not at all.
They asked him who else may apply and he said he thought guys like Ninnis, Sapwell, Molloy and Stacker would probably through there hats in the ring.
Best of luck to Phil, what ever you decide, i would not be upset to see Phil back again for the next few years as i think he has done a pretty good job this year all things considered.

Dana on channel 10 news last night Phil quite specifically said his heart is not in it anymore. I would love him to stay, but his heart has to stay with the job. Frustration over what's happened in the last 2 years is quite understandable and I still think he did a great job under the circumstances, but if he openly admits that his heart is not in it, then he really should step aside.

Also - we shouldn't be shy about looking overseas for a ex NBA or NCAA coach.

We might have not done so well under Dunlap, or having seen the mess with the Dragons and Price, this is no reason to avoid going down this road again.

But - we should also learn from the Dragon's mistakes, do not employee a coach on potential publicity alone.

We need to consider all options.

Stirling is a sure interesting one - she certainly has an impressive resume, has a fantastic basketball brain, can handle everything at top level, is passionate about basketball and has the respect of the coummunity.

But one thing you have to remember about the difference between Men's and Womens basketball, with the NBL, there is a lot more money, and hence a lot more ego and more player management. And, it is commonly acknowledged that the Lightning are about the same skill level as a under 16 boys state team, whilst the Opals are about the same level as a U18 or U20 mens state team.

So for Stirling to step up to the NBL would be a big step, one that I am sure she is capable of.

I would prefer to gamble on Stirling over Ninnis at this stage.

Dana

To be sucessful in Business, sometimes you have to make hard decisions.

A hard decision was required to be made today - and it wasn't, that went for the soft option to retain face.

Retaining face does not always make you successful in business or for that matter, win championships.

Coaches live public lives, and basketball is a small community.

Let say for sake of argument, Boy-Gorj applies for the job, and gets spotted having an interview with Sixers staff. If Phil is retained, Sydney now know that Boy-Gorj wants to leave. Would Sydney want to retain Boy-Gorj knowing that is thinking of leaving? Would you want to be in that situation?

I think what has upset me the most about today is that haven't stated they are actively recruiting coaches, by the wording used today, they are simply going to wait for applicants to apply. If your multi million dollar company is looking for a new CEO - are they simply going to put an add in the Advertiser? No - they are going to speak with industry leaders, they are going to try and poach other successful people, they are going to search and advertise worldwide for the best person. The best person does not always turn up on your doorstep.

Today should have been - Phil is staying, or Phil is going - then put the positive spin on that.

Let me put it this way

You work for a large organisation, and someone on another team's contract is up, but is thinking of reapplying.

You are thinking of applying for the job becuase you have all the skills, but you do not apply because if the current person reapplies, you have little chance, and then your managers know that you are applying for other jobs, which can make your current situation uncomfortable.

I cannot see many top level coaches applying for this job on this basis alone.

Finally we need a decision, either, Phil, you have a bad luck run the last several years with injuries and imports, but we have faith (hey I was there Sat night, and saw a lot of positives), or, Phil, it is time to go, and we are actively pursuing a new coach worldwide.

This is a soft, amateur decision/annoucement and people should take it for what it is - nothing.

Anon #171594, I couldn't have put it better myself. I have been on Phil's side and wanting him to stay, however I am also aware that there are players who do and don't want to play for him. This does nothing to their decision making. All I can say is that a decision on the Head Coach position be made before the 2 weeks after grand final is up because that is the time that it becomes a mad shopping spree for the free agents.

I was going to post this in the "Breheny to go" thread, but it belongs here.

I think this clayton's sacking of Volde is a farce. It is disrespectful to the club, the players, the fans, and to Volde's staff to leave him as a lame-duck coach. Now no-one knows whether Volde will be coach next year, and therefore no-one knows whether to stay or go. Perhaps other teams might be interested in approaching Breheny, or other memebers of his staff, or some of our players (who may or may not fit a new coach's philosophy), or these coaches/players may be uncertain as to whether to apply for other vacancies due to the current uncertainty, preferring to stay here if they can (by the same token, some may leave *because* of the instability, which won't help the club).

Given they are such a close-knit team, the person most effected is Steve Breheny, who deserves more respect than this for the effort he has put into bringing three chamionships to this club. Unfortunately I doubt that Volde can see that his prevaricating over his own job is damaging to his close friend, any more than he can see that it is damaging the club and its players and fans. Stick with the job (and learn from your mistakes!) or quit (or be sacked), don't do this Death March. We've done that once already this season with our import, let's not do it with the coach!

Don't like it, taking the easy way out with this - if you are a player thinking of resigning, you want more than we are not sure who is going to coach next year.

Div 1 coach, that is probably why they did it.

Hoping a well informed Hoops SA poster/moderator will step up, and take this team to the glory days...

After all, that is why we post on here, to push our coaching credentials..

; )