Hoops

Kobe wins NBA MVP

Yeh dude, i think they got it right there, Jordan for me.
Magic was running the laker showtime, they had a great squad, jordan had squat.

No other player at that time could of done better than jordan for his team.

You recall i said success for the team, not necessarily league domination.

I stand by the dirk call too, he is nothing like the other players you mentioned. Their games revolve solely around dominating the post, if they played for the mavs that season, i doubt they would of won 67 because their entire offense would have to of been restructured.

I really want to point out that the award is for the specific season. It doesn't mean that player is the best in the league on a career or individual basis.

Its like the brownlow in the AFL, the player that wins the award would seldom be the first picked.

I really can't see us resolving this dude, if you cannot accept that there is no player right now that could fill CP3's shoes for the hornets, but there is potentially three or four that could do it for Kobe then we are at a stalemate.

Stats don't tell the whole story, but it helps...

Career stats- pts reb ast
Kobe 25 5 5
T-Mac 23 6 5
V Carter 24 6 4
LeBron 27 7 7
Pierce 23 6 4
D-Wade 24 5 7

(i regret adding Vince, he has no heart at all. But if he was a laker....))

It's Official: Kobe is MVP.

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People can stop ranting now...Kobe thoroughly deserves it.

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Quagmire.....u are digging ur grave further and further

As for Dirk, the mavs system was based on dirk being a huge mis-match, he would draw out big guys and shoot over little ones, none of those other guys plays like Dirk. No-one in the league does for that matter.

What Duncan, Howard, Stoudamire & Garnett arent all mismatches for opposing teams???

Dude........we know u hate Kobe, and that is purely ur only reason as to why he doesnt deserve the MVP

Consider this

87-88

Jordan Avg's 35pts, 5 reb, 5 assists, 3 steals....won the MVP his team won 52 games...second best in the east

Magic Avgs almost 20pts, 12 assist and 6 reb, 1 steal
....Lakers won 62 games and the NBA Final

Who deserved that MVP Quag??

I'm not a Kobe fan, that much is obvious.

I don't want to seem that i don't think Kobe is probably the best in his position right now because he probably is.

He's fantastic at taking all the shots in the last 5 of every game so that when one of them eventually goes in he is a hero.

He just might be the third best player in the league.

Thats still pretty good!

Just not MVP.

Chris Paul is MVP.

As for Dirk, the mavs system was based on dirk being a huge mis-match, he would draw out big guys and shoot over little ones, none of those other guys plays like Dirk. No-one in the league does for that matter.

I hear you about the whole assist after the pass thing, i wonder if there is a way to count how many lay ups parker gets because big men don't want to leave timmy alone?
Truth be told most of the top scorers (the good ones)supply their teams with more assistance than is recorded in the assist column.

By the way, CP3 just dropped a bomb on the spurs. check it out.

I'm implying that telling me i'm wrong carries little weight when you offer nothing, zero, zip in terms of a reason.

Saw em play too.

Against the hornets.

Got beat. ;-)

Fez- Kidd? really? did you see the previous series?
Nash, past it, and was never the defender CP3 is.
Williams, Very close, may even have a similar year in the future, but this season he was a step down from Paul.

My MVP criteria is simple- Be the player on a successful team that no-other payer could of been that year.

Dirk wins 67 games, no-one plays like him.

Nash, at the time, no-one could run the suns like that.

Tim Duncan- Miles ahead of any other post players at the time.


This season we have Paul doing the job no-other can. He is doing something the L hasn't seen since isiah thomas and they give it to Kobe? Rude.

Jules- buy a thesaurus.



And i do hate Kobe.

Look i just think Kobe is getting props for something most other players do all the time, play within the system designed by your coach.
Fez- "What's Phil got to do with it?" Who are you? Tina Turner??? HE'S THE COACH MORON!
Kobe does not make others any better than Fisher or Lamar do...
I stand by the fact that you could sub Kobe for T-Mac, D-Wade Pierce or Lebron and the lakers would not lose a gear at all. Thats not MVP.
There is no-one that could do what CP3 has done this year.
And to top it off, Kobe is a WANKA. Any other of the guys listed above would be great to have on your team.

Fez dude, your gonna have to come up with something better than that. I don't know why people keep saying Kobe made his team mates better, did he make em better when phil jax wasn't coaching them? Oh hell no. Did he make em better by whinning his guts out pre-season?
He is getting credit for other peoples work and that makes my balls itch.
Your right about lebrons numbers but i think you'll find most pre-season polls had the lakers way ahead of the hornets. Consider that they also got Gasol mid season and the hornets were only slightly behind in the end....CP3 MVP.

Anyone else?

Sorry about previous post, perhaps i should elaborate.
He wasn't convicted, i don't think?
Anyway, he is not an MVP. Great player- not MVP.
To me, MVP should go to the player who provides his team with something NO-ONE ELSE CAN, and because of this, the team has great success.
Under those criteria, LeBron and CP3 are the only candidates. CP3 wins by a landslide because his team was successful and he is the catalyst for that success.
Kobe is great, but T-Mac, Pierce, Lebron, D-Wade (remember him?) these guys can all do what Kobe does, they just aren't lakers and they don't have Phil Jax to coach the team to success.
Switch Ming with Gasol, and get Phil to coach Houston...Champs.

Kobe winning an award like this really sucks because he is just not worthy.

Rapist.

Im rapt Kobe won it, but it mustve been close between him and Paul

I personally reckon it shouldve been a joint MVP

ELG, just has sour grapes coz the Suns are stuck with a 320 pd lead weight next season....lol

All-NBA First Team ... All Defensive First Team the last 2 seasons ELG

I would say Kobe is one of the best defenders in the league mate

Whilst avoiding study lke the plauge, I was chatting to 'Jirachi' on MSN, and thought some of you might like to discuss these ideas:

- get rid of Senior div5 and send them back to their local stadiums
- alternatively, limit district teams to abl, div2+3 and let the other divs be run in an 'amateur' fashion, much like the Amatuer footy and soccer, involving local based clubs and the ilk.
- THIS IS A MUST - to allow for the development of juniors - make Reserves into U23 like SA soccer - meaning that in all Reserves games only players under 23 and 3 (or 2?) overage players can play.

Of course, we know no-one will ever have the balls to make any signifcant administration changes...