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Beantown

Years ago

Bogut on HoopsWorld All-Overated team

Wow Humpa, you are seriously deluded. Of the list you give, Horford and Lopez have a CHANCE to better than Bogut in the long run - but not if Bogut continues to develop and stay healthy.

Guys like Foster, Miller are solid, one or two-dimensional role players and nothing more. Bogut can actually matchup against top centres on both ends of the floor.

Lee - role player and not a true centre anyway. He gets killed in any one on one matchup with a true centre.

Bosh - not a true centre. Different type of player. There is zero point in comparing Bogut to him.

In the West, you might want to actually look at the way Bynum plays before you consider him ahead of Bogut. He has potential, but at the moment, he can't even stay on the floor.

Chandler is soft, and has no offence. About the same as Bogut, maybe a notch below.

Okur - can shoot, but thats about it.

Hawes - LMAO, you're joking right?

Camby - good weak side shot blocker and rebounder but over-rated when it comes to directly defending other centres. No offence. He is well past his prime - not as good as Bogut. Is it a coincidence that Denver's defence got better after they traded him?

Marc Gasol - solid first year but not better than Bogut. Will only be better than Bogut one day if Bogut fails to reach his potential and Gasol overachieves.

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Dale

Years ago

I would have him at Chi - town, Bogut would be just what is needed there.

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Beantown

Years ago

Who is over-rating him? I knew from the day he was drafted at #1 that he was going to struggle to live up to the enormous expectations that come with that status. That doesn't mean that he is a bust though.

He has improved his rebounding numbers every season. Last season, at 10.3 per game, he was the 5th best rebounding centre in the game. Only Howard, Biedrins, Camby and Jefferson were ahead of him. He also shoots a good percentage from the field and is still recognised as a good passer for a big man.

I'd rate Howard, Okafor and Perkins ahead of him in the East. Horford and Brooke Lopez are good prospects but I don't think are as good as Bogut yet. Ilgauskas is a clutch shooter, but I don't think he is as good overall. Wallace is on the slide and to me is not really a true centre anyway. In the West, clearly Biedrins, Jefferson and Yao are better. You could probably add Duncan and Pau Gasol too, as they play like centres to a large degree. Shaq is still just better as well, but won't be around much longer.

I'd say the main knocks on Bogut are really that he is not a standout either offensively or defensively, and that he is injury prone.

I still think his career could go either way. He has now missed 66 games in 3 seasons, 46 of which came last season. Next season it is critical that he stays injury free - both to counter the injury prone tag, and to have a chance to finish out a season strongly, instead of on the injured list.

The other things he needs to do are:
1) Get a good big man coach to work on his footwork and on developing a consistent hook shot. If you see what Clifford Ray has done for Perkins in Boston, you know that Bogut could improve vastly in this area with the right coaching.
2) Watch tons of video on how Perkins defends the post, because if he just improves his positioning on defence, he can improve his defence a lot as well.
3) Improve his conditioning - when I have watched him, I've noticed that he sometimes seems out of gas sooner than his opponent. When that happens, he gets a bit passive, and opponents get position on him too easily, and draw cheap fouls on him.

If he can at least do two of those three things and help lead the Bucks to the playoffs next year, he will be right back on track as one of the elite centres in the league IMO.

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B-Easy

Years ago

Bogut is nowhere near being a bust! A bust is a Kwame Brown, Michael Olowakandi type player who shouldnt have even been drafted in the early 2nd round! Bogut is easily the 4th or 5th best player in that draft.

2005 NBA Draft could look like this:

1.CP3
2.DWill
3.Danny Granger
4.Bogut or Marvin Williams
5.Bogut or Marvin Williams

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Matt Richards

Years ago

Put him in a system that isn't based around the hungriest ball hog in the league and he'll shine. His best times were when he was allowed to become more of a focal point on offence and he certainly didn't play like a bust then.

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Years ago

Going number one landed him in a shit situation and unlikely to get out of it and why would he with the money he's getting, no other team is going to offer him anything like that.

No 1 bust sure, but in a draft with very little on offer.

But still has plenty to offer and is still a decent enough big man.

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