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How do I complain to BSA about refs?

I did use the NBL in my initial post. They certainly announce tribunal findings. I don't know how BSA works but its not like it would be the worlds biggest secret if they rubbed someone out for a couple of weeks.

Oh dear, their = there.

I don't see why he/she becomes a target. Players cop their punishment in public, coaches too, and it's then up to the individual to make amends for their indiscretion. I don't see why refs need to be treated differently,or why their is the theory that making them accountable is going to discourage other people from becoming refs in the first place.

Why should referees being accountable be done behind close doors? Let's say the NBL or a state league has an issue with a ref and they drop him for two weeks - why do the general public and players/clubs have to be kept in the dark?

I think you will find that most refs will respond to a polite query, asked in the correct manner. However, most players in game situations are emotional and frustrated when they disagree with a call and will throw their hands in the air and argue heatedly with the referee. My advice is to accept the call at the time, wait until the next dead ball and then approach the referee and ask for a clarification. In most cases, I think you will find that they will be more than happy to answer, as your demeanor will have lost most of the aggression.

I think this might also be where the rule about players not talking to the refs has come from (only guessing I don't know for sure). If the captain is not involved in the situation then he/she will be calmer when talking to the ref.

One other thing might be to look at yourself/teammates/coach/spectators. If the ref has been copping crap from them all game, they will be pissed of and defensive and less likely to respond cooperatively to your question.

Btw before you next abuse the refs, think about this. If a ref is constantly abused, most likely he/she will eventually quit. This means that another ref (usually sub-standard) has to be pushed up to higher grades to fill the spot, usually before he/she is ready. This creates below standard refs who get abused more (and the cycle continues). Perhaps we have below standard refs because they all quit rather than stay around long enough to improve?

I didn't says refs are my equal as in during the game we all have the same part to play. I said I feel I can talk to them because I don't bow down to them, and they don't do the same to me. It's normal human interaction - why referees think they are above that is beyond me.

Sorry anon, you are talking a whole lot of crap. That hypothetical about the ref checking on a sub with 4 fouls in order to stem potential abuse is ludicruous. If you can't discuss real situations then don't bother.

Stuff happens in a game. Players react, and providing they don't go over the top and abuse anyone (which I think you need to understand is different to the "talking" points that are being made) then there should be no reason that sensible discussion can't take place.

I speak to refs because I don't consider them to be above or beneath me, or deserved of any special treatment which automatically discounts then from normal lines of communication.

And what happens when they don't speak back?

We're not discussing the risk, we are discussing your notion that a ref cannot be spoken to. It is simply an unrealistic suggestion. I agree, do so at your own peril. Most times you won't get the favourable outcome (although talking your way out of a speeding fine is probably more likely than getting a ref to listen to you) but to say "no talking" is detrimental to the game.

It does not stop people doing what they need to do. It's not like every comment wastes minutes of valuable time - if you are going to quote extreme scenarios as the basis for your warped view, then you are just showing that you don't really understand what it's all about. I can promise you that a ref who refuses to talk to a player does more harm for the game being played, the competition and the relationships between players and refs than any sort of communication.

So if a cop gives you a speeding fine, you both stay completely silent while he is writing up the ticket? That is normal to you, is it?

Sorry, that should have read "I've already answered your question"

Will the cop say "don't speak to me at all" and continue on his business? Or will he engage in the discussion with you, explain his decision, and (providing you are courteous) apologise that he has to give you a fine? As I said earlier, you might not get the desired outcome but to completely shut off communication because you overstate you sense of authority is extremely backwards.

I've already you question, anon. Speaking to someone is quite normal. Answer my question, why CAN'T you speak to a referee?

And the need to talk to a referee exists because you have every right to point out what an opponent is doing, or how the ref may not be calling things consistently at both ends, or at least state your case when you feel you were hard done by. You might not achieve much but to say you cannot speak to a ref is retarded.

What other situations do you come across in your daily life where you aren't permitted to talk to someone you are involved with?

Why can you? Because despite our roles in the game of basketball, we are all still human beings. Part of being a human is communication. As soon as you take the attitude of "you can't speak to me" then you have done nothing more than create a bigger divide between the two fraternities.

Sorry, anon, that sort of attitude, where referees can't be spoken to, or players have no right to complain, is exactly what contributes to a greater rift between players and refs. Why can't you speak to a ref? Why are they so above the rest of the basketball community that they can't be spoken to?

Turd sandwich, If you read the ABA Points of Emphasis, (If you can read) you will notice that all participants must accept the officials will make mistakes. When was the last time you played and did not miss a shot or turn the ball over?

Build a bridge and get over it!!

Loco, that's sooooooooo funny.

You could use the old school North East / St. Bernard's trick:

Call a time out. Instruct a team mate to stand directly in front of the ref during the inbound pass.

Overarm a bullet pass as hard and fast as you can. Have your team mate step aside.

20 years later and I'm still laughing at how wrong that was...

"i had a ref who was telling other refs to tech foul me on purpose because she had a crush on me and i said no thanks. recently i got thrown out after i got kicked in the nads"

So, you got kicked in the nads because you said no to a ref?

I would complain about that!

Suck it up princess!!! Sounds like the ref picked you in one. Truth hurts.

Maybe you should play married ladies netball or something. If you dont like a comment like that im surprised you play a contact sport ya pansie

Thats all fair enough but if you complained about being called a whinger then you'd get laughed at.

Personal insult? No, thats asking a question. Personal insult would be more like

You: wheres the foul?
Ref: stop winging you little fagot

thats a personal insult
not a question

Thats it?? They told you to stop whinging, and you want to make a complaint?

What are the issues??? and where??? I'm sure some of us on here will feel your pain.

Start a new thread outlining the problem, and make sure you name the umpires in question. We all enjoy bagging out umpires, mainly because they are all dickheads. Problem solved.