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Three seconds - which rules

When you are coaching a very young group of juniors and the key is like a can of sardines it can become frustrating for both teams, especially where kids are still learning the basics.

I tend to speak to the officials and just ask them to help out the game and the kids by warning them and it tends to do the trick.

Just say something like, 'Ref, can you help out these kids by clearing the key a little bit please, they aren't learning anything by just standing in there all game, thanks it will help if you call a 3 seconds every now and then!'

They usually get what you are trying to do and comply, should be no drama if you use the right approach.

With the more senior players or higher quality ball there are other issues, like defenders holding and players needing more than 3 seconds to get established. But I am afraid of opening up a Pandora's Box if we go down that whole track, so I will leave it there...

I think that does technically reset the count, but it falls under 'deliberately going out of bounds to gain advantage', which is also a violation.

In my experience, the ones that bring a tent are those who are super-tall players.

There needs to be more calls on 3 secs.

There are too many "taller than normal" players who camp in juniors and I notice many teams always run with cutters who cut in the key, count 3 then leave, only to be replaced immediately with someone else.

That way, they always have a team member in thekey

Unfortunately woop woop's english is terrible but he basically has it in a nutshell.

The other thing you may have noticed is the more you scream and yell for three seconds......the less the refs call it. Why? Because when they do call it after you have screamed and yelled is it looks like you have pressured them into the call.

I guarantee you if you scream lees you will get more. Scream more and you will get SFA!

hereschenes, I was referring to the last point in article 47.3, which states

"consistency in the maintenance of a balance between game control and game flow, having a 'feeling' for what the participants are trying to do and calling what is right for the game"

which gives a lot of room for interpretation of what constitutes an advantage for any rules, not just 3 seconds.

In regards to the rebounding situation, box the big player out well and 9 times out of 10 he/she will jump over the back of the defender and get a foul anyway

hereschenes

It states in the first line that its discussing personal contact & violations. The point s that you havent added discuss how fiba want the game called. They want the game to flow not be pulled up for every little thing that has no bearing on the contest. They call it "feel for the game".

In regards to 3 seconds it would be like the ball carrier standing in the centre cirle in his front court, dribbling the ball for 8 seconds doing nothing and a referee calling 3 seconds on an offensive player who happens to be just standing in the key. No advantage to anybody. Not having and effect on the game whatsoever.

Advantage/Disadvantage applies to both Fouls and Violations.

3 seconds is a violation, hence adv/dis applies.

I think the concept of advantage/disadvantage originated from article 47.3, especially the last dot point for 3 second rule. Advantage/disadvantage is also in the NBL points of emphasis. Although it doesn't state it in the 3 second rule, nearly all the rules are reffed with advantage/disadvantage which is where the interpretation of 'not 3 seconds until they gain an advantage' argument comes from.

You would think a tall player camped in the key for more than 3 seconds would be a great advantage

the rule gets too complicated for the zebra's when the player who is in the key set's a screen...no advantage to themselves, but a definite offensive advantage...

but brown penis sounds like he found the wrong hole! :-)

26.1.3 To establish himself outside the restricted area, the player must place both feet on
the floor outside the restricted area.