Hoops

Violation - clarification

Regarding the question of 3 seconds, they are sort of correct but not really.

This comes from the principle of advantage/disadvantage in article 47.3 of the rule book. The 3 second count starts as normal for all players, however it is considered incidental, and therefore a 'no-call' until the player camping in the key gains an advantage from being in there. As soon as he gains an advantage after being in there for more than three seconds it is a violation and must be called. So its not a question of the count not starting until he is 'in the play' but more to do with the fact that it would not be considered 'a call' until he/she gained something from it.

The key in regards to 3 seconds extends past the base-line. Therefore you can't go out of bounds to reset 3 seconds, unless it is outside the key way (if you extend the lines marking the key, if that makes sense). As far as I know this hasn't been changed, but I may be wrong. It just isn't called very often.

Also there is a technicality that states that players may not go out of bounds on the base line in order to gain an advantage (not sure what article right at this moment). As far as I know this hasn't been changed either - it just isn't something that most people would call as it is a mere technicality

TC2 did you ask your ref if he was stoned?

The only explanation i have!!

DJ Rod, netball definitely has a rule that prevents you from deliberately stepping out of bounds.

Darren Ng has been starting his runs from way behind the base line this season to get free on the opposite three point line. I certainly hope I never see the 'unfair advantage rule' called in that situation.

I do recall a college match that got a lot of play where a player chased a ball out of court and and ran out through one set of the stadium doors, in through doors at the other end of the stadium to hook up with a fast break pass to score with a layup. Can't remember the umpires ruling, but that sounds like the sort of situation that calls for the 'unfair advantage'. Presumably this should also apply where you only have four players on court and the fifth player hiding in the stands.

Maybe you should also read the apology sir

That's the issue I had - define "in the play". If you are setting a screen, you're in the play. If you are calling for the ball, you possibly have a help defender's attention, therefore you're in the play.

Sorry misread the post.

You can go outside of the court now to reset the 3 second count the rule has been changed.

The old rule was you were gaining an advantage by avoiding a violation call hence turning the ball over.

I do not understand why you cannot go out of bounds to reset the 3 second rule.
For a start you are the one at the disadvantage. You lose position, have to go out and back in, and you have to make sure both feet are set inbounds before you touch the ball.

Who said anything about the ball being inbounded? We are talking about a guy not getting called for 3 seconds because HE does not have the ball.

The 3 second count does not start till the ball has been inbounded Anonymous. You might want to learn the rules.

Also the 3 second count only starts once the offence has possession of the ball in its fron court.

The rule is no longer applicable. It was used in situations such as avoiding a three second call by going out over the baseline.

Rule is nmo longer in the book. Darren Ng drew some attention from rival coaches early in the season

I had a ref the other night that refused to call a 3 second violation on a guy because he wasn't in the play - he said it was a new rule that the count starts as soon as he gets the ball, or he can camp there until he gets the ball but then he has to shoot immediately. Because the guy was setting screens from his position, I said that he was in the play but still no joy from the ref.

If the rule says that you can't do it to gain an advantage, how was the ref correct? What advantage was gained by stepping out? I can understand that you aren't allowed to hide uner some towels on the baseline and burst out when no one is looking but stepping out is not an advantage.

What crap.

Got a warning from a ref(not unusual for me) about going out of bounds under the basket to stop getting called for 3 seconds. He told me he will still call 3 second violation even though I was out of the lane. Silly rule IMO.

Never heard of it. Was the ref stoned?

(Once this one has been solved, I have one to clarify too)