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Years ago

Melbourne Storm stripped of titles due to cap breaches

MACDUB, If Parramatta players and Manly players feel they haven't earned the 2007 & 2009 premierships, it is their privilege to have an opinion. They need to realise though that they are players and not the club. Players will move on but the club stays and therefore its the interest of the club that needs to be taken into consideration and not of individual players. I beg to differ on the opinion they did not earn it. That may have been the case when it happened and Storm were clearly the victors at the time without any knowledge of their cheating but now that the cheating has come to light, it throws a different conclusion on whether they earned it or not.

If the cheating had not occurred and Storm won fair and square then they deserved the premiership. If they didn't cheat and didn't do as well as a result of it, you could argue that it would not necessarily have been Manly and Parramatta fighting out the premiership. Under the circumstances, there has to be a recognition of the best team for those 2 years as all the games were played out by all the teams and all the work put into it to conclude the season in a premiership. As for the problems arising out of bets placed, I am not a gambling person, but I would imagine that the terms and condition of betting would cover things like this and placing your bet is an indication of you accepting the terms and conditions. Just like reading and posting on this forum

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MACDUB

Years ago

Have seen interviews on the news. Manly players and parramata players said that they don't want to be awarded the premierships of 2007 and 2009, because they wouldn't feel as though they earned them. Good response by both clubs IMO. At the end of the day they broke the rules..good move by David Gallopp..I laugh when I see the likes of Phil Gould dispute the NRLs ruling..what's there to dispute, they broke the rules which 15 other clubs all adhered to and managed effectively.

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bear

Years ago

Billo,

The hypocrisy of the NBL fining Adelaide for those salary cap breaches still puzzles me. As Anon astutely noted, all clubs have been participating in this sort of behavior for many years. I'm still unsure why a blind eye was not turned to the Sixers, unless it was extremely obvious (or bad) compared to all other clubs.

I still remember the legendary AC Earl in 1999 for the Sydney Kings. This guy was "employed" by Coca-cola as an "Executive Vice President". Now apparently AC wasn't the most business minded guy at the u of Iowa and graduated in lesiure studies but was still qualified enough (and had the time) to take a side job with the crumbles major sponsor.

Funny about that eh...

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Years ago

They were saying on the news tonight that Storm have nothing to play for for the rest of the season because they cant earn premiership points. That is definitely not the case. They still have their salaries (minus the under the table payments) and they have fans that will continue to support them. Its for the fans that they need to come out fighting even harder than they have until now because it will show they have the fans interest at heart and not just their pockets. The way they are perceived now at a time of crisis will make or break the club for the future. I cannot see how ignorant the players would have been to what was going on. They had to realise they were getting a little bit more.

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Years ago

Billo, we got caught and fined for those breaches already. But we avoided the stripping of the trophies thank god.

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hereschenes

Years ago

The premierships of 2007 and 2009 should be awarded to the runner up because they worked their way up to the grand final against an illegally stacked team.

It's not that simple. What about the teams that were knocked out by the Storm in the other half of the finals draw? Maybe they would have beaten the team that lost to the Storm in the GF. Add to that a million other contingencies with unknown outcomes from the hypothetical world in which the Storm had not cheated for several seasons, and it's impossible to say what would have happened sans salary cap rort. As such, I think just voiding the premierships is the fairest outcome given the circumstances.

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Years ago

Award the premierships to the runners up - AFTER auditing them to make sure they didn't have cap breaches too.

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Years ago

How far into the season is it for this league? If they lost the points accrued up until now, can they still make the playoffs? They are still a stacked team because of the salary cap breach. If they have enough time to still make playoffs, that gives them a good chance to win another premiership. That won't go down too well knowing they are in that position because of the team the club has bought. Its a difficult situation to be in. As far as the club goes, they cannot be given any opportunity to win another premiership but then again, the fans are innocently cheated of that privilege. The only way they can retaliate is by not going to any more of their games and if you have bought a season ticket, it should be refunded. Alternatively, the fans might be supportive enough and thinking about the long term support rather than giving up on them now.

The premierships of 2007 and 2009 should be awarded to the runner up because they worked their way up to the grand final against an illegally stacked team. They are the ones that were cheated of a premiership and deserve to win it. By not awarding the premiership to the runners up, 2 whole seasons would have been a waste for the teams that did the right thing. That's not really fair.

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Mystro

Years ago

good shit to the NRL. an example had to be made of Melbourne and they certainly did that.
wonder how many other teams CEO's have their paper shredders working overtime as we speak lol

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JOaRiDrAN

Years ago

Good call metro man. I agree, The club should pay in draft picks. I personally dont rate rugby, But its crap for the fans that pay good money to go see them on the weekend when they know a win wont mean anything. Punish the CEO, not the players

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orbit

Years ago

Bit harsh XY. Why not start with the Kings 3 peat? Though i'm sure Seamus is no saint. The Dragons wouldn't spend according to Hammer but went berserk under Goorg. Apparantly winning is everything!

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Years ago

Puts the lie to Melbourne being the new 'title town'! Now they only need to name and shame the tigers and dragons championship teams!

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orbit

Years ago

Fancy leaving that 2nd file findable. I bet someone cracked a beer to early & 4got to hide it in a locked safe where auditors cant find. Cheats should be punished & well done to the NRL. It goes on in every sport unfortunately.

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Big Marty

Years ago

Ah, scrubbing out recorded history. Nothing like hiding the truth behind a veil of lies in a hope that people will forget; kind of like how the Bible started.

...I wonder if the Bible was originally the history book of an ancient sporting league.

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