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Hard foul or Unsportsmanlike?

Lol 47, every rule in the book asks a referee to make a determination! Did he change his pivot foot, did he establish legal guarding position, did he step on the line etc etc Refereeing is about making decisions! Consistency with the decisions across the board is what is needed.

How does Knight being able to brace himself make the call correct? I can brace myself for you to punch me in the face, its still unsportsmanlike. Excessive or Hard foul is US. It's not a hard concept. Just get the ref's to be consistent! Thats the main issue.

Just watched the replay of the segment.

The responses to Carfino's questions were horrendous.

I just cannot stand the refs in the NBL. It's not blatant, unreasonable hate - the inconsistence and incompetence just infuriates me. Really is hurting the product.

Solved then. It should not have been an unsportsmanlike foul because it was not excessive.

Agreed Lol 47 but Unsportsmanlike isnt advantage/disadvantage is it. If the defender rips a players head off and shits down his neck your not going to call advantage!!!!!

It clearly states severe contact (hard foul) regardless of playing the ball or not is Unsportsmanlike. What we all want is just consistency so it comes down to the referees being on the same page and having the opinion of what is or isnt. Because Loughton's should have been US in my opinion as well just like Robbins was.

Art 36.1.3 statement 2 is what we are looking at. Even if a player makes a effort at playing the ball.........


Art. 36 Unsportsmanlike foul
36.1 Definition
36.1.1 An unsportsmanlike foul is a player contact foul which, in the judgement of an
official, is not a legitimate attempt to directly play the ball within the spirit and intent
of the rules.
36.1.2 The official must interpret the unsportsmanlike fouls consistently throughout the
game and to judge only the action.
36.1.3 To judge whether a foul is unsportsmanlike, the officials should apply the following
principles:
?? If a player is making no effort to play the ball and contact occurs, it is an
unsportsmanlike foul.
?? If a player, in an effort to play the ball, causes excessive contact (hard foul), it is
an unsportsmanlike foul.
?? If a defensive player causes contact with an opponent from behind or laterally
in an attempt to stop a fast break and there is no opponent between the
offensive player and the opponents’ basket, it is an unsportsmanlike foul.
?? If a player commits a foul while making a legitimate effort to play the ball
(normal play), it is not an unsportsmanlike foul.
36.2 Penalty
36.2.1 An unsportsmanlike foul shall be charged against the offender.
36.2.2 Free throw(s) shall be awarded to the player who was fouled, followed by:
?? A throw-in at the centre line extended, opposite the scorer’s table.
?? A jump ball in the centre circle to begin the first period.
The number of free throws shall be awarded as follows:
?? If the foul is committed on a player not in the act of shooting: two (2) free
throws.
?? If the foul is committed on a player in the act of shooting: the goal, if made, shall
count and, in addition, one (1) free throw.
?? If the foul is committed on a player in the act of shooting and the goal is not
made: two (2) or three (3) free throws.
36.2.3 A player shall be disqualified when he is charged with two (2) unsportsmanlike
fouls.
36.2.4 If a player is disqualified under Art. 36.2.3, that unsportsmanlike foul shall be the only
foul to be penalised and no additional penalty for the disqualification shall be
administered.

The difference between a USF and a Foul for the Taj block attempt was the side that he attempted to block from.

Taj came in from behind Ervin to get the block. Considering Taj would have had to literally get his arm infront of Ervin's and then swat it sideways to block, there was a very small chance of success and a high chance of wrapping the arms, or knocking him over. Basically, too much player to get around in order to get the block.

Had Taj come in from the right to cut across Ervin's driving lane he would have had a much greater chance of avoiding full contact and could have had a better attempt at the block. Granted even in this direction he would have still been going full pelt and they would have collided regardless of whether the block was made or the dunk was made. But a collision from that side would have been probably marked as a legitimate attempt with a big ending.

...of course, had Ervin made the dunk on Taj, that would have been a nice poster.

"The foul was way to excessive on a dunk" would have been ok on a finger role or layup?

I didn't think the Ervin foul was unsportsmanlike. Taj only had eyes for the ball and made some contact with the body whilst trying to block the shot. Nothing excessive about it.

Carey, the ref and the refs say one hand got plenty of ball but then the other hand used was excessive.
JVG was saying - because Ervin was airborne - made it look worse.
The foul in perth looked like a hip and shoulder.

Who'd be a ref - they showed them 7 or 8 times and in slo mo and I'm still not sure.
Maybe Ervin airborne - was a dangerous foul - could've really got hurt in that situation.
I still need to watch them agen.

Peter Carey used to be a basketball ref and also was a integral part of the ITC program in Victoria years ago..

Big Ad's

For once i'd have to agree with you

McCullough foul - unsportsmanlike

Alex Loughton - hard foul (looked ugly but hard)

BTW.....
How does a bloody footy ump try and explain a basketball foul interpretation on National TV....
Hello.....
Thats where our Referee standard is????(get a real basketball ref to run the show)
Overtime is crap....
Sorry im over it and wont watch it again

hey everyone.

who do y'all tip to be 2006 premiers?


CARN SAINTS!!!!!!!