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Crocs coach Gleeson ejected and reported (video)

Guys agree totally with you. Refereeing from the top down is creating an environment that encourages people to question refs. Rather than enforce the rules consistantly, you are agreeing that at times the exact same call isn't made because of'flow of game' or in the 'opinion' of a ref is was wasn'r a advantage.



Sorry dude they are the rules. Referees have to interpret advantage/disadvantage. The refs dont make the rules they just try and apply them. Chat to FIBA, it has nothing to do with referees from the top down in Australia, they are the rules.

And yes let coaches blow all the fouls! I'm sure they could run and keep up with the game. Gleeson in this clip shows his insight into refereeing by abusing Lyons. The ball is dribble penetrated from the opposite side of the court Area 6, Lyons is in the centre Area 3/4. Not his call and if he made it across the split line he is looking in the wrong area as his primary area is off ball on this play. Yeah let the coaches call the fouls they would all ball watch and it would be kill or be killed away from the ball! What a brilliant idea to let the coaches ref!!! Why hasnt anybody else thought of that.

The bottom line annon is there will always be ref bashers in Australia because its a religion. If anyone believes a referee can get to the elite level in the sport and cheat, manipulate games, hold grudges and in Ganymeade's own words pick on players and coaches they dont like is ABSOLUTELY KIDDING THEMSELVES!!!! They have no clue how the system works and they dont want to know for that matter. They just want to throw shit from the cheap seats.

Let them call their own fouls because we have all seen how well that works at training sessions when you leave it up to the players themselves. Generally ends in a punch up or a friendly "F*ck you, no F*ck you"! Very constructive.

Ganymeade

The post was in contrast to the stupid post asking Lyons to apologise! Possibly the art of sarcasm is lost on you. Sorry about that

If you want lyons to apologise for running into Gleeson i want Gleeson to apologise for being a Dickhead for 5 years

The big point that Gleeson apologists fail to explain is why Gleeson, who had vision of the ref, moved forwards into the Ref.

No doubt Paul but the injury itself was an accident. Abney's intent wouldnt have been to break Hill's arm!

Brad Hill incident was an unfortunate accident. That level of contact from behind has occurred a dozen times since Brad unfortunately broke his arm. It was an accident and they happen. Graeme Dann just lost 4 teeth whilst trying to put pressure on a Vukona inbound pass and the fat part of Mika's hand between the thumb and the index finger collected Dann in the mouth dislodging teeth. This was not called a foul and wasn't a foul as it was incidental contact in the course of play. If we adjudicate every action by the result (Hill breaking an arm) Vukona would be up on report for striking!!!

Contact is contact. Unsportsmanlike is heavy/severe contact regardless of if your playing the ball. I'm sick of hearing Brad Hill's foul referred to as the gospel of US fouls. He got fouled from behind and unfortunately landed awkwardly and broke an arm its an accident. Just like Nathan Brown for Richmond AFl got his leg snapped in 2 by a melbourne player trying to soccer the ball off the ground. Free kick yes but not a report. Accidents happen in contact sport.

Isaac - my delivery may not have been ideal, but my point was that some refs feel they need assert their authority simply because they can. They would not behave or speak to people the way SOME do, if it wasn't for their uniform and whistle.

In this particular case, Gleeson was standing off the court as he is allowed to do. The ref turned and ran into him. There was plenty of room for the ref to run on the court but he chose not to and expected Gleeson to move.

Both the ref and Gleeson were in the wrong.
Ref should have made 1st call on the foul, Gleeson shouldn't have bumped him.

Some might say that some refs are a bit precious. They might never get a word in at home so they have to pull on their powershirt and hope they get to blow their little whistle and talk down to somebody. Perhaps the ref needs to watch where he runs. Gleeson was standing off the court and the ref ran into him.

Nothing that happens on court excuses a Coach not avoiding contact with a referee. When the referee moved down the court past Gleeson at the beginning of the clip, Gleeson was seated. The referee was watching the play and would not have seen Gleeson get up and move into the path the referee had to move in back to the other end of the court. Gleeson was the one who had the eye awareness of the referee's position and it was his responsibility to avoid the contact. Instead of swaying back, he lent forward causing the contact.

Gleeson has become the "boy that cries wolf"!! He bitches about every single play and eventually the refs stop listening. Then in future if he ever does have a valid point it's lost on the referee because he has already switched off! Might wanna learn to pick the fights he wants to fight.

A bit like if you kick a dog. You can kick it once or twice and get away with it. But eventually your going to get bitten. Looks like Gleeson got bitten! I expect a fine.

This is how it reads:

You have a coach arguing about calls over your shoulder, you run backwards without looking and then happen to run into something, the first thing you see when you turn around to see what it was is an angry coach with his arms up. Ref interprets that as the Coach being offensive.

Had the ref been facing the other way, there would have been some talking, the ref would have moved around Trev, or worst case told Trev to sit down.

Granted the call is dramatized to the max, but I look at it the same way as most contact fouls are called. You man-handle someone, ref advises you to cut it out. You keep going, you get the call against you.

Wouldn't surprise me if the call was a "That's enough, you're done" build-up call.

Mutley, i do agree with what you said though with regards to giving a Tech but not ejecting. ejecting was an over reaction but my argument is that some form of punishment was necessary.

I think your blowing it a bit out of proportion with the "coach is supposed to predict where the referee is running" its not like guessing his PIN. When the referee is there on his side of the court go back towards your seat and ill put money down the referee wont be running there.

Disagree Mutley, the referees are there to officiate the game not to listen to a coaches complaints about how the officiating is being conducted. Not only that but for a referee to do his job he needs to watch the game at all times to make the calls. Gleeson was clearly yelling at him and knew perfectly well where he was and could have avoided him. In no way is it the referees job to dodge the coach or anyone else on the bench for that matter.

Also if you look at the referee he never had a chance to look at Gleeson, so from his point of view he got bumped and he would not have been able to tell whether Gleeson did it unintentionally or if Gleeson pushed him with his shoulder.
so to those who say the referee was wrong are being far too harsh. AFL is worse in my opinion with regards to this.

I have to be honest that doesnt look that bad at all. coaches are always that close to the court, the ref just bumped into him.

however in saying that, and judging from the way gleeson was standing there it seems as though he may have been persistent in arguing with the referees the whole game. can anyone confirm that?