Hoops

Statewide facilities Analysis

Have South considered playing games at Immanuel?

This review will:

1. Assess the state of sports facilities available for our current and future basketball participants; reporting on all key data to provide an accurate understanding of current and future basketball infrastructure needs.
2. Determine financing and management options for all priority upgrades, expansions or new built recommendations
3. Determine Basketball SA’s role in future management and/or securing of facilities and facility access and projects.

The best thing about this review, it that the government is paying for it via a grant from Office for Recreation and Sport, so no-one will be able to whinge about it coming out of the coffers.

How thorough the review will be, and how much latitude the review will get will be two variables closely monitored.

There is no doubt that stadium ownership by BSA carries significant risk and the burden of potential repayments is something that weighs heavy on the minds of many.

Stadium availability is a key issue and I would suggest that the optimum stadiums are those 3 court stadiums which allow flexibility of scheduling. As jnx noted above, it is more about forming strategic alliances with schools (or existing facilities) to mutual benefit. Private schools are well placed in this regard as they seek to obtain a return from their assets.

One question to ask is whether BSA should take on a long term lease on stadiums to rent back to clubs, or whether the clubs should be responsible for their own facilities.

Like some posters have noted above, I hope that politics doesn't get in the way.

I think we missed the boat when the Education Revolution building was on. A school 2 mins from Hillcrest has new gym - not full sized. There must be many of these around the city. A bit of consultation and forward thinking and we could have had a heap of good training facilities if nothing more.

The new stadium at Osborne has 2 courts (supposedly full size) and due for completion in May.

Just noticed this after coming home from work tonight:

http://www.basketballsa.com.au/index.php?id=62&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=582&cHash=f8c37dc564

http://www.portenf.sa.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/PAE_spot_WardMap2006_CTP.pdf

Apparently there is a new stadium still under construction about 10km north of Port at Osborne.
Near a railway station.
Its like the distance of Gepps Cross to Parafield.
No idea if its 2 or 3 courts or if any?
The City of Port Enfield is rapidly changing with lots of new schools with new stadiums plus the home of Bearcats and Rockets.
Are stadium bookings meeting supply and demand?

Im not sure ,is the Rockets stadium/Shed council leased and dont they need some glass and lights(IE starplex quality)?
Why this study as well?Why am I suspicious?
My own feeling is another 'extra' 3 or 4 courts, also replacing 2 existing down South and another 2 extra plus replacing 2 North existing.Finally something like 3 new in western area to meet demand.The Hills I have no idea.
Anyone from country give us realistic wish list for our Rural BBall Cousins?

You know what ?Having Councils,schools and sport clubs all wanting the same things in Adelaide is the key issue here!Administrative confusion in planning and low population with low spending pool add up to not much happening.

The 30 year plan for Adelaide would be one thing that gets considered in this analysis.

PeterJohn, I would expect $300/hr for the Project Director and would be charging out $200 /hr for the Project Manager. They would probably budget a week for the PD and probably a month for PM. In most projects these guys just review the reports and get the cannon fodder doing the footwork.

In something like this, I would expect that labour would be stacked with a couple of graduates (0-5 yrs exp) (say $75/hr), one or two more experience people (5-15 yrs) $150/hr overseeing them, and don't forget they also include secretaries for typing up reports.

Disbursements would be paid on top of this and the only real disbursements would be car travel which Aurecon would probably charge a set km rate. They might also bring in a structural engineer to assess stadiums if that is part of their scope, or if they see a problem. This would be a variation.

It is great to see an outside, neutral company involved. We should not underestimate the power of having a third party involved in a review. If they do it properly and have the right information provided to them, then a good result will prevail.

As far as the money is concerned, it should be seen as an investment and for that level of $, I would expect that Aurecon would be investing around 1,000 man hours in the project. Anything less than 500 man hours in the project is not value for money.

I think this is a step in the right direction and hope Aurecon consult with the SA basketball community and provide an opportunity to provide constructive feedback as part of their SWOT analysis of their review.

Aurecon provide social planning services (amongst other things) which primarily involve investigations into which urban centres are well serviced or poorly serviced (in this case in relation to basketball infrastructure). They are not a South African company, but a multi-national company that formed through the merger of a Australian engineering company and a South African engineering company. Locality (being Adelaide) the merger also involved a urban, traffic, environmental and urban design planning company called QED.

The research will provide valuable information to BSA, especially which areas should be provided additional support to facilitate growth in the sport, however like everything, what BSA does with the knowledge will determine the success of the study.

The biggest challenge for BSA (as I see it) will be managing the politics within the local basketball fraternity and accessing the financial resources to deliver upon the recommendations of the report.

OK everyone, lets get through the afternoon with some of the funniest sledges ever heard in cricket, or the best trashtalk someone has heard in basketball. I'll start with a few.. Daryll Cullinan & Shane Warne: As Cullinan was on his way to the wicket, Warne told him he had been waiting 2 years for another chance to humiliate him. Looks like you spent it eating, Cullinan retorted. Who can forget Ian Healys legendary comment that was picked up by the Channel 9 microphones when Arjuna Ranatunga called for a runner on a particularly hot night during a one dayer in Sydney& You dont get a runner for being an overweight, unfit, fat c**t!!! Mark Waugh standing at second slip, the new player (Adam Parore) comes to the crease playing & missing the first ball. Mark -Ohh, I remember you from a couple years ago in Australia. You were sh*t then, youre fu*king useless now.Parore- (Turning around) Yeah, thats me & when I was there you were going out with that old, ugly sl*t & now I hear youve married her. You dumb c*nt. Yet another Australian witticism with this time porky Sri Lankan batsman Arjuna Ranatunga the victim. Shane Warne, trying to tempt the batsman out of his crease mused what it took to get the plump character to get out of his crease and drive. Wicketkeeper Ian Healy piped up, Put a Mars Bar on a good length. That should do it. Rod Marsh, late Seventies: How's your wife and my kids? Ian Botham: The wife's fine  the kids are retarded. Gotta love Heals. So lets hear em...