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Should Junior Ref's Get More Cash?

Player, referee and coach hey Quiet One.......my question to you is since when does a an apprentice earn what the master does? As a matter of fact it has nothing to do with age in my opionion.....you could be 40 years old and want to start umpiring BUT you still need to do the hours to get the experience which therefore = what you are worth. I'm yet to find an employer that will pay an employee for work that is not satisfactory. I was talking a probation period for SOME of these junior refs, not for them to do it for nothing. They show improvement they are rewarded....some of them just don't show that improvement. Like I said, I'm not reffing for the $5/game I am paid as a senior ref, I'm there so that these juniors can learn the trade.......unfortunately some of them are immune to constructive critism and apparently know all there is to know. But on the other hand I am proud to know that a handful of juniors I have had start with me are now umpiring at district level.... :)

This question/commnet is directed at swish:

Do u not think that any labour, unless voluntary, is deemed worthy enough to be paid for?

These junior refs, yes some may be slack, some there for other unknown agendas, etc, that you seem to think do not deserve pay until they can control a game or fully understand the rules- Do you not think that is unfair considering they are giving up their time, instead of possibly doing homework, and if young, their parents time to get them there? And not receive any reimbursement for it?

This comment/question is directed at kingman:

I worked at a pizza shop, and never got a manual on how to make pizzas and im pretty sure big chains like McD's and HJ's do not supply manuals on how to make their food. I do know one thing though, I learnt ON THE JOB, the same as others in the food retail industry do.

So the fact that you compare the two shows your ignorance, and singling out junior refs as not knowing rules, each and every one and their reference bears no significance to your argument, because there are many senior referees out there that probably do not know the exact point of the carry rule.
Knowing the rules is needed, but how much respect or good communication is built between a ref and player when you spit out some crap bout section and point instead of explaining the rule in a manner that they understand. I find as a player, referee and coach, the latter is much more efficient.

Get back to the topic

Why aren;t you reffing Daniel. Fed up with all the criticism from all the faceless people here and the real abuse when you get on the court?

... third THURSDAY level 3, but I suspect that junior refs would not be in attendence (given how many years it takes to get to level 2).

Exactly Doctor!

Any increase in umpires pay (ability aside) would need to be re-couped through an increase in game fees. I already pay around $8 a game, and that's plenty for me.

Perhaps if we all learned a little tolerance, we would have umpires improving at a faster rate. If they only had to focus on the game, instead of worrying about the coaches, players an spectators im sure they'd improve faster.

Parents should imagine what it would be like if someone started shouting att heir kids whilst playing sutff like "Crap Move" and stuff, but a lot are really stupid and can't see past their own noses

Just to add another piece to what I have just written............I am a senior umpire, umpiring local basketball so that the juniors can learn. I certainly don't do it for the $5 per game I get paid but do it because I enjoy giving back to the sport I loved to play and can't anymore because of age and injury. I enjoy seeing the kids reffing and playing make it to where they want to go, be it umpiring district games or playing at a higher level.

Junior refs probably earn a lot of the time what they should. Some of the juniors I have dealt with as a senior umpire(local basketball, not district) probably should just umpire for the experience and not get paid until they can show that they can take control and umpire according to the rules. In my experience it does make it a little difficult for some of these kids having a go because of peer pressure (umpiring mates from school etc) but with experience they will learn to separate the two. If a junior ref shows that they are there for the right reasons then sure, pay them well, but until they show responsibility and they're not just there for the money I think what they are paid is plenty. As they climb further up the umpiring ladder then they will be paid accordingly.......I think we need to remember when we first started in a paid job....now it seems like a pittence but back then I know I was rapt to be earning my own money. But then again, maybe we are dealing with a different generation where more and more kids get everything they could want and don't appreciate what it is they are paid for what they do.
PS I have broad shoulders and can take the flack I'm probably going to get for writing this.....but we are all entitled to an opinion.

Jays sounds crap

Jays sounds like baseball not basketball

Next minute someone says United sounds like soccer...