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Jack Toft

Years ago

Is it time to deny clubs a div 1 side?

BOYS Div 1:

70% of teams +/- 2 SD's.

"Best Teams":
U12-1: Forestville + 3.17
U14-1: Norwood + 2.86
U16-1: Sturt +2.80

"Worst Teams"
U16-1: Centrals -3.31
U14-1: Centrals - 2.96
U18-1: South - 2.64

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Jack Toft

Years ago

Just heard back from my mate Pat who has crunched the stats on the girls (U12 to U18)

He said that each grade has an average score, and around that there is a standard deviation (SD) (for those who aren't maths nerds, just understand that some variation is normal and standard deviation just shows how much)

Grade Ave (mean) SD
U12-1 31.4 16.6
U12-2 25.6 16.8
U12-3 23.1 12.6
U14-1 46.3 15.6
U14-2 25.5 11.6
U14-3 29.9 16.8
U16-1 48.7 8.0
U16-2 31.1 10.3
U16-3 To hard to do with pro/rel group
U18-1 49.3 11.2
U18-2 31.3 10.2

A team is measured by how far away from the mean they are and this is measured in SD units. This way, teams can be compared across grades and divisions if needed.

A game SD unit is the sum of the for and against SD units. The "worst" teams are further away one direction, the "Best" teams the other way. There is a strong correlation between SD units and win %. The equation for you poindexters is:

Win % = 50% + 15.65 x SD units (R2 = 84%)

Are you ready for the "Worst" 3 girls teams after six rounds?: (This is not meant to be an attack on any one, or any club)

U14-1 North - 4.06 SD units
U14-2 North - 4.03 SD units
U12-3 Norwood - 4.00 units

The "best" 3 teams are.....

U14-3 Magic + 4.09 SD units
U16-1 North + 3.79 SD units
U16-2 Eagles 2 + 3.43 SD units

In Div 1, 48% of all teams are +/- 1 SD, 37% in Div 2, 28% in Div 3.
For teams +/- 2 SD's, D1: 76% of teams, D2: 63%, D3: 78%

What does all this mean? Div 2 is the issue, not Div 1.

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Jack Toft

Years ago

.... and the chicks for free.....

(sorry, showing my age)

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Jack Toft

Years ago

What's your solution V93?

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Jack Toft

Years ago

The olde $64 question!

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Jack Toft

Years ago

I think the question should be. "How do we get more girls into basketball?" (or stay)

By getting more girls into basketball, the "pyramid of talent" broadens and you'll find the players will enjoy it more.

I think everyone agrees the whole shooting match is one big "Cluster F#ck". The talent is concentrated at too few clubs. As a result the competition is not balanced and the divisions bear no relevance as to the actual standard. There are some teams in Div 1 who would get smashed in Div 2, some teams in Div 2 that would be competitive in Div 1. Same with Div 3.

Would pro/rel work? I actually doubt it very much.
Would zoning work? Possible, but could drive some girls away.

I think you find the solution actually revolves around lifting clubs up, not putting them down. Currently, when one club has more girls teams in one division than an entire club, well punters, that's the problem.

My solution, get more girls playing, the standards will stabilise.

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