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Mark Radford quote

I remember getting court side seats a few years back. We had few beers. My mate had a few to many. We were playing Sydney. Shane heal was playing back then. Throughout the entirety of the game my mate reached levels of heckling I'd never seen before, all aimed fair and square at Shane heal. It was totally disgusting and embarrassing, but in the same breath incredibly funny. Shane copped it sweet for most of the game, gave the odd point when he nailed a three or dished an assist. He had the last laugh though cos his team won. My mate ate humble pie. But Shane heal earned our respect that night, took it all in his stride. Even walked past us at the end and gave us a knowing grin. Success is the ultimate come back for any heckling. This whole situation smacks of immaturity and softness. Kinda how the sixers are playing. Coaches reacting to this is a sign of weakness, toughen up. If the players are sooking cos of the boos that aren't directed at them, toughen up. If the coaches appeared to rip into the players instead of accepting mediaocrity, maybe supporters might see and feel the desire is there for success. This team could be a great team. And even the coaches acknowledge that. Management can't effect on court success once the team is on the floor. Coaches can. Inspire, motivate and strive for success. Do not accept mediocrity. Success will change everything, even the heckling.

"you better ask around and get a nice slice of humble pie when you here the truth, but you can't handle the truth"

What is this?
'A Few Good Men' ?

Tom Cruise is being played by Anon690
And who plays Demi Moore? Anon659 of course!

Just for the record you can remove me from any issues that Peach's wife has had with any fan. I posed with Peach after the game as I do most games with any players that I can and i have for 20 years andI have never abused a player or a fan. That is an absolute ridiculous accusation. The last game was the first time I have sat in those seats and couldn't even tell you who Peach's wife is. I've admitted to the statements I said to Radford which once again were pretty moderate compared to most the other heckling I hear on a weekly basis. If all you have got is to make up complete lies about me then goodluck!

@XY, I stood and I applauded.

Note to Sixers players - the crowd that pays money to come and see you play, wears your colours, buys your singlets and cheers whenever you do anything good is actually out to get you. Right. [roll eyes icon would be good about now]

Guess what, that same crowd that pays money to come and see you play, wears your colours, buys your singlets and cheers whenever you do anything good will continue to do so if you do more things that are good. Just as a test, see what happens if you don't cough up a 20 point lead at half time. Maybe even win a game once or twice a month and see what happens. You never know, jubilation may result. I expect tears of joy and relief across the stadium. But in your own minds they will still hate you. That is clearly the crowds fault.

If any player actually believed any of the above things, the crowd cannot help them. They need serious professional help.

@Anon404585, Cocaine is a Hell of a Drug. You should cut back.

I've never booed the team before and don't plan on it ever. I'm one of the people scratching his head at why you would need to go as far as booing in the first place.

@Anon404597, I've worked in a Corporate environment long enough to recognize a marketed/planned statement when I see one. I would hope that backing the coaches was a legitimate 100% truth, but I honestly think there's more to it. Publicly, you wouldn't say anything else because you cause more chaos that way.

Another case of 'Lack of Transparency'.

You've got a Club that isn't willing to be transparent about a lot of issues, so the fanbase has to make assumptions which are either getting mis-interpreted or incorrect to begin with.

You've then got owners and players assuming that the fanbase hates the team, because the club has never considered asking questions of the supporters on what their problem is.

From reading half the posts across these Sixers threas for the past few months, the fans have absolutely no issue with the Players at all, but just the manner in which they are handled.

It would be nice if the sh*t was cleared from the air and the fans could actually let the players know that.

"Hey team, we DO actually like you guys and want to you hang around; we'd just like to understand what's holding you guys back from being the contenders we know you can be?"

They haven't looked on here for a coupla years .
I got the impression they would go to community ownership , but would see how cole's due dilligance went first , so , now , community ownership is the go

Remember at the end of last season , DJ was gonna go to free agency and Creek to Wollongong , so we had to give 'em a few more bucks to stay , so , ulikely anyone wouldda walked out if we cut Clarke .
SOS pulled the plug on Ninnis two years into a 3 year deal , and cut imports , so , unlikely money .
They were gonna go with Cole's offer to buy the team , more likely , so , this is their last year.

Some people make the most educated fans in the League look very Stupid!! haha

hahaha Marzey if you want the Job say, bring your under 12 girl's play books out and make it happen.
You will see!!
Petrie to Perth
DJ Europe
Luke Will Stay, but lets be Honest.
Gibbo first train out
Mitch melbourne
Caddee to Heal
Is that So hard to Believe?

I'm Sure the Players came here for the Churches, and some of you people/Supporters because you are a Joy to be around.
When the Coaches go the Team will Go, not in the first season but eventually.
Do you really think this is there first option?
Especially now in this "Toxic town".
Laughing stock of the league.

Wouldn't be easy . Clarke's brilliant out there at training.
He says ; ' Hi , how are you , good luck , thank you '
to me . Pretty good bloke .
Eventually , there ain't enough wins .

If players know they will be benched for not putting enough effort in you will find they will pull their weight just knowing if they don't they don't play, and no a defensive team won't just give up an open three that is why you draw up a play to drive the ball to the hoop draw the defense and have a couple players on the three point line then the defense either play one on one with the driver which could lead to an easy lay up or double on the driver and leave a three point shooter open. That is just one play you could use there are many others but i don't want to bore everyone. The point is if the coach is good enough they can adjust the way the team plays and give the players confidence that they will make the right decisions when it comes to the crunch and then you are half way there to getting a win

KingJames is also not really contributing anything meaningful to the original question...

bk - It's all well and good to say that you would draw up plays to get either layups or open threes, but in a professional league where your team has hit a flat spot during a game I doubt it is as simple as that. A defensive team wont just give up an open three, regardless of how poor the offensive execution has been, because letting one open shot drop could be the tipping point/momentum swing that changes a game.

As for not playing defense resulting in time on the bench, how would you counteract sluggish play on the defensive team by multiple players?
For example, if Gibbo is looking sluggish and missing rotations and you send him to the bench, what happens if the replacement shows little commitment to defense during their stint? How do you account for multiple players not showing that commitment to defense in the one game; bench them all?

I would have made the offensive sets simpler and let the players play more on instinct than structure. I would have let it known that not going after rebounds, loose balls and blocking out was unacceptable. I would have let it known no desire to play tight defence resulted in time on the bench. If we were struggling with 3 point shots i would have drawn up a couple of plays that resulted in getting layups or wide open three pointers to get the players confidence going need i go on these are just a couple of things off the top of my head.

Remember , onair@fiveaa ,: - that he did admit to the Tech . Also , Clarke told us : ' The booing did effect some of our players , not used to it , it doesn't happen around the league.' ...
.. ( I seem to recall that last season was the first time that fans had booed their own team . )

Well my memory must be wrong too because i remember Ninnis being up there nearly every week and i also remember seeing interviews with Phil

Yeah there is a roster system for the players but the coach (or at least the assistant coach if the coach can't make it for some reason) should be up after every game as it has been in the past before Marty.

BJF as a fan who goes upstairs after every home game i find it hard to believe Marty and Mark would be doing Q and A sessions and weekly updates if they had their way when Marty can't even be bothered to show up to the post match interviews half the time. We heard from him last game but he missed at least 3 games before that. I am a firm believe of actions speak louder than words and so far all i have seen is a lot of talk and not much follow through.

@Silencer83, Respect is a lot like a Degree or a Certificate: You earn them over time and it can help you open doors; but it doesn't mean you're good at the job you're employed to do.

While I'm sure the Wildcats thought he was great and said they would be sad to see him go, it clearly wasn't enough that they tried to match whatever offer he got from the Sixers; nor has he evidently impacted the Wildcats by leaving. So compliments and respect aside, there's always the slighest chance that he wasn't as advertised.

I agree with your post in full; but as I've stated before in this post, there's a level of professionalism expected of anyone in their job. If he's got a problem with heckling, he has many avenues to take in order to 'vent' that don't involve telling disgruntled fans that he doesn't think anyone would want to play for the club after this year.

In any other job, if he went off at a customer; you would be either warned for it, or be fired on the spot.

I'm intrigued by this concept of culture change and in particular where its boundaries start and end. I believe Marty mentioned it at the start of his tenure, but I don't recall him saying it since.

It would appear, based on some of the anecdotal evidence available, that Marty's cultural change agenda has been quite empowering to some people within the organisation. Why then has the organisaion not taken the time to inform season ticket holders of the strategy that underpins this cultural change?

Why not give fans at least a glimpse of all the hard work that is going on 'behind closed doors' to change the culture? - It may facilitate an appreciation among fans that with a little more patience good things can be expected.

Instead we've witnessed for the most part, owners, CEO's, players and sponsors leave the club yet the parties orchestrating this cultural change remain. Can I safely assume, based on comments provided on this forum, that those people weren't agreeable with, or suited to this culture change and if not why was that so?

And furthermore if some on the statements made in this thread are in fact correct, should a disciple of this positive culture change have responded in a much different manner?

Things don't add up to me, but then again I've not had the priviledge of being directly informed of the good things that are coming out of this culture change.

From a personal perspective I've started to question whether the term 'cultural change' has been misappropriated into a corporate cliché? Leadership training has become an industry in itself and the concept of 'culture change' is a staple of their marketing strategies.

But great leaders don't need clichés do they, great, even good, leadership is, for the most part, an innate skill right?

KCCO

@Marcus Camby
My intention was never to bait anyone as you may like to believe. Was just voicing my opinion as were many around me and many have with much worse comments over the past three seasons. Does it make it right? Maybe not but I stand by the fact that the comment Mark retaliated with is unprofessional. He could have and should have insulted me when he chose to retaliate which would have been justified but chose not to. I understand that his response was not solely to my comments and it would be tough being abused by thousands week after week but that is why you get paid to be a professional. My post was not to gain attention for myself but out of concern for our club and to inform our supporters of this attitude that leads our team.If any of my employees had responded to a paying customer within my business like that I would be worried and would address the issue straight away. The main point has been missed in this whole thing. I'm not the one that the focus should be on. As I said posters can continue wasting time insulting me. It means nothing. I'm not the one fans are booing, I'm not the one with multiple hate threads and I'm not the one bringing down a successful organisation. If anything the one thing I am happy about is that this thread has shown how much passion our supporters still have for our team.

@Bg04
So you make me think this is a one off attack on 36ers staff? Is this true?

The story hasn't changed BJF if that is even your real name! During the last qtr I made the comment about playing the players when Mark turned around and scoffed. Also a very proffesional move by the way. So when he came to the bench after the game I made the second comment to which he reacted. Credibility? Do you normally stalk social network profiles like a teenage girl or is some thing you want to tell me gorgeous haha

Well done BJF you know how to use social networking and naming people. Your a real hero!

Oh and keep wasting your time throwing insults my way as I couldn't care less about your thoughts of me. this isn't about me. It's about our team and the consistent lack of professionalism shown by our leaders. If you can't see that than you've got bigger issues than this forum.

"Good luck finding a job next year mate because you won't be coaching here!"
They were the EXACT words that were said and that's a fact. Not an opinion from hypocrites who weren't there. A FACT! Was it an insult? Yes. But was it the truth. Yes. There was no profanity or insults about family which Marcus Camby would like all to believe. Just the truth. Compared to the insults that get thrown around on this forum my comment didn't even get close to 'crossing the line' that I apparently crossed in the opinion of so many who weren't there and to those who were there you know this is FACT. You're just to busy on your high horse to admit that my comment is the truth. I know for a FACT that my opinion is shared by certain current players, current players families and even one a hall of fame broadcaster. Who i have all had discussions with in the past 48 hours.To all the over opinionated hypocrites on here take a look at yourselves before you start spewing your nonsense.You want Marty and Mark to get the send off they DESERVE. Don't worry I'm sure you'll get your wish.

I'm a wildcats fan and its just no fun seeing the 36ers THIS down and out, we want our rivalry to be so ferocious that its atleast back page news but instead your team is a joke with insipid coaching and seriously Radford; baited or not... Your in a place of power in this league so please do the right thing and show some fucking passion.

I have no idea why anyone would wanna live in Adelaide but getting people there should be the hardest part and not keeping them from heading straight to the airport after you open your mouth.

Long live the 36ers/Wildcats rivalry

While only yesterday , somebody asked me if I would smash up Clarke's play board .
Clarke asked to remember him by hanging up stevie's singlet out there .

Seems the coaches abuse the players .
Refs should remove the coach .
I felt sorry for Ron Howard and family here , the way Clarke spoke to Ron Howard , not pleasant .

This is starting to remind me of a Seinfeld episode. Doesn't Jerry get heckled, then go to the heckler's place of work to harrass them?

Bg04 watch out for Radford... :)

Anon #815

It's pretty obvious now. In a few posts, even in this thread, it's becoming more probable that Marcus camby sits on the bench during games. Just not sure in what capacity.......

I see this as weak as Piss!!
Bit like giving your High School teacher a hard time Knowing very well he cant smack you around the Head.
I wonder if the same guy would have much to say one on one in a dark alley.
Im sure i could organise something.
Dick Head!!

Anon,

I agree, abuse is not warranted and I explained there was s line to not cross when Heckling and those examples I gave were crossing that line and were more examples of abuse.

I wasn't there and I therefore can't determine whether what the fan was doing was abuse or not but I still believe what Radford said was unprofessional and unwarrante, and if I were his employer, i would not be happy with him making those kinfs of comments to fans.

@Anon473780, lots of people get abused at their jobs. Anyone who has worked a Retail/Support/Customer Service job has experienced random abuse.

You're taught how to handle those kinds of responses and appropriate actions to take if you have a problem with it. Most of the time, you learn to handle any kind of abuse and ignore it.

If you're playing or coaching in a sporting organization, you're acting as the face of the club. Expect abuse, learn to handle it and how to react to it.

Radford's response regardless of the content or context of the remark should have been to walk away and speak to the Sixers organization if the heckling is causing him stress etc.

It's clear that he doesn't know how to act in a professional environment and clearly needs a talking to from someone in the club about how to act.

If they are given new deals, then that will do it for me. I will officially no longer give a shit. I think it will also be the end of the club.

As long as someone produces a "History Of The 36ers" DVD, I will keep watching that, rather than sit through another season with Snookie and Pauly D at the helm.

Sorry accidentally posted above before I was ready too.

If I was Radford's emloyer at the 36ers and heard he had said that at a game, I would be asking for a pleas explain and also sya behind closed doors that behaviour like that from a paid professional coach was not acceptable at my organisation. I also think fans have a right to be annoyed at what he said after the last 3 years of unnacceptable results for the sixers basketball club.

Clarke and Radford have shown from the first season an inability to connect with fans and the media and have not taken any public responsibility for the repeated poor results even though it is clear their coaching is at least part of the problem. This comment further shows Radford's lack of professionalism in his role and I wouldn't br employing him as part of any coaching team if I owned an NBL franchise.

I actually think as a paying fan, you have a right to heckle any of the players/coaches/referees on the court but there is a line you can cross. I would suggest that any physical contact from fans with players/coaches, swearing, racism, and derogatory comments towards someons family are all too far. When I used to be a season ticket holder and attend games regularly before I moved to the country, we had these guys behind us who were extremely funny and witty. Their heckling added entertainment value to the game for me and those around me as well. It was always hilarious when they would get on a players back and it would eventually result in the player flipping bird. They rarely if ever crossed theline. Heckling from the fans is part of what makes live sport - I don't think you can get annoyed

Radford also has a right to respond to that heckling but he has the added responsibility of being a paid professional by the 36ers organisation and as part of that, he has a duty to support and act professionally toward the 36ers organisation and toward their paying customers. In this situation hie did not do that and gave an entirely inappropriate response.

@Eli Would be better if you worked in a wholesale Pharmaceutical Dispensary as he might need a few boxes of tissues.

As disappointing as this season has been, and it has been grossly disappointing, Radfords response to what appears to have been sustained and personal abuse seems to me to have been reasonably mild. Whilst keeping quiet is the better course, a lot of people would have said much worse.

I think we are missing the point, Radford wont be here and some of the team will be looking to move out of shit that some of the people on here are a part of.
The Cancer is this forum..
And well said BJF!!
1000's over 20 years = f*@k all.

Finally, someone baited Marcus Camby and seems, he/she cant hack it.

I work in a health organisation, do u need a tissue Marcus?

Marc -us, there are some things best to let go through to the keeper

First the tech incident vs Cairns last year and now this. Radford is a cancer. Was he anything like this in Perth?

This experience again reinforces just how toxic the Sixers basketball experience is becoming and it is really saddening that an event such as this has occurred.

It would appear that both parties could have shown more respect to each other but these types of exchanges are not uncommon when everyone is frustrated. When emotions are high people do things that they may later regret.

These next 8 months are going to require exceptional levels of patience, empathy, respect and communication for the Sixers to have any chance of raising out of these douldrums, and certainly no more finger pointing or blame games. Enough is enough.

The new CEO and coaches will need to be outstanding communicators and motivators if the organisation is to have any hope of rejuvenating the playing group and the fan base after the disappointment of this season.

Whenever you're confronted with an angry customer sometimes the best thing to do is just smile politely and ignore them

You said it wasn't personally offensive but he said it to you in response to provocation.

You also labelled it disgusting.

So was that on behalf of the thousands of fans who heard it??

Perhaps they can join in with a chant for the next game to give the place a great atmosphere for the team - and also any potential recruits!

I think it would have been a lot easier if Marty and Radford had been shown the door a few weeks/months ago. They obviously know they are not coming back next year so will probably leave bitter (not sure why as have had 3 terrible years). in saying that it wouldn't surprise me if they did bad mouth the city, team and some players so I think that's where radfords comment came from as he knows his time is up.
I think all sixers fans wish it hadn't been like this as I for 1 was happy with the appointment and the team initially but as the seasons wore on things didn't change and they were making the same mistakes that you would allow a rookie coach to make but not a 3rd year coach.
It's just become so frustrating to watch, you could see it in the sixers body language after half time and at 3qtr time Melbourne were pumped and the sixers looked flat.

I feel sorry for the players as they are trying but it's just not happening on the court after half time. Pressure does strange things to people.

I suppose there is only 1 way up from here. Looking forward/ hopeful for some exciting announcements about next season and walking into the arena expecting to watch a 36ers win as forgotten what that was like.