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Bevo: NBL too rough, so why would Lisch stay

I have been a strident and continuous critic of the "Gorgian defence" since its inception. The main problem as I see it is that one team seems to be allowed to employ it while if the team on the receiving end changes its style it is immediately penalised.

As for the choir boy, Mr Lisch, he seems to be allowed to hook and push off with impunity. So a little body contact should not be that big of a problem.

Kr - don't forget Johhny Flynn.

I wouldn't expect such cr.p from an NBA player, unless he has such a low opinion of our refs that he thinks it's worth doing.

Early in the game on Sunday , Perth's number 4 jumps over the back of a MEL player for a rebound and comes down with his arms over the Melbourne players shoulder and around his arms and some ball . Called a jump ball . That's a free in footy , but set the tone for this game .
Lisch can deal with the situation .

Yes, what we are talking about is the Goorgianisation of Australian basketball, or the flow-on from it.

Problem is, it's taking a long time for the league to work out how to reduce the physicality so we get to see some skills. And that includes defensive skills as well as offensive. There is more to defence than grabbing or clobbering someone, but why bother coaching or using defensive skills when you can just wrap your arms around the attacking player or openly thump him or her without any real risk of a foul?

The double-handed push in the back in rebound situations appears to be gaining popularity too.

I have never heard the breakers complain about the way perth play!! If u can suck some one in thats bad luck for the other person! Isnt that the same as a player floping? Or a play reacting to get a call. The cat was the same, in the come bak against nz he gave them shit and he went on and scored 17pts in the fourth. Perth dont go out and train for that, every sport it happens! So get over it! If perth win to night or the gf every 1 will say sumthin any way! So i just say LETS GO CATS!

He didn't seem to mind when Kirk Penney got the same treatment.

Bjf u bubbles brother? Bevo is loving it! Think he has thought through what he has said! Put it on the refs and see how the go. End of the day, thats perth basketball, if a club cant beat u they are gona find a reason, may be the other teams are that shit! Thats why when we play nz its even because both teams are the samd but perth alwayz gets picked out! How many times wilkinson start shit last season?

Not sure if Bevo is srs...

Surely he can see how hypocritical he comes across?!?

Don't realy understand what the fuss is? There not a bunch off soft cocks playin social on a thurs nyt! Which part u ppl dnt understand? U play to win and that is why we have refs! Cry to the nbl not on the fourum! Ppl are gona faint when they roll out the team for next season

From memory, refs were told to allow more physical stuff because the Boomers played 'too nice' and we kept getting hammered in internationals and couldn't cope.

I doubt if Bevo will have the Boomers playing 'nice' if he gets the job as head coach.

Yea im 12 and trolling some ones mum ;) if u dont like it physical go watch golf! Instead of bitching about redhage and wags.

"Define dirty"

- your momma.

Sorry Situation, childish I know, but you put it on a plate, had to be delivered.

Only joking of course, your Mother is probably a very nice person. Oh and seriously re the question, can't answer, to subjective.

"Lol @ cats82. Not sure if trolling or 12 years old..."

Why not both?
They breed 'em young these days.

So , a few years ago in Darwin preseason , the coaches met and asked refs to let it go and they wouldn't yell out at refs . Ninnis didn't go and gotta tech for yelling at refs.
The game was rougher then , made easier for Cameron and Saville. Later , Allan Westover : " The game flows better when called correctly . "

I don't think Lisch ever complains , just gets on with it .

Excellent point MACDUB, perfect example was last Sundays Game and Im pretty sure it was Burston who got called for a foul in a rebounding clash and the look on his face and ensuing whinge made it look like the worst call ever made. Then the replay came up and there he was with a big handful of Hires(?) singlet holding him down.

Just play the whistle and the dodgy calls will work themselves out over the game

XY, it may have worked if the refs held their nerve and kept calling fouls rather than swallowing the whistle in the 2nd half.

Hard to play anything but legal defence when youve got half your team fouled out by the start of the 4th!

Bit off topic..

But the amount of times players complain in the NBL is just stupid.

Not a fan of how strict the NBA calls technical fouls. That's a little too extreme IMO

But maybe the NBL needs to start handing out technical fouls.

I've watched games where 90% of fouls called are argued. I know the standard of reffing isn't amazing, but players continue to argue calls which are right.

Some of the worst complainers are Goulding (every single time), Bruce and i would admit Bruton can be bad sometimes.

U guy's must watch a differnt nz team! Vukona and boucher should be fouled out in the 1st 5min! The worst is cj bruton he will flop cry anythimg to get the foul! U guys are joke on here about the way u guys go about the cats and the supporters! Would u be saying this if ure team played the way they do and the support they get from there fans!

Bevo's team plays to whatever point the refs are going to allow on the night. I really don't see why anyone can hate that. Any player would be stupid not to, and would really not be doing their job properly.

I don't see any conflict at all in a team that plays hard wanting the game to be called less physically. Personally I am 100% supportive of the idea of teams getting together before next season and trying to improve the way the NBL is called. There's no doubt in my mind that the league would attract more fans if it had a more free-flowing style of play.

The last Tigers game at AA the referees did try to 'clean the game up', calling 19 fouls on the Tigers in the first half. After half time? Only 7 fouls called on the Tiges.

Either the Tigers suddenly became saints or the refs swallowed their whistles in order to even out the foul count. Final foul count 26-22, in a half where the Tigers were even more aggressive defensively than in the first half. So I don't think the 'call lots of fouls in the first few minutes' argument does necessarily solve the problem.

Regardless of whether we love Perth or hate them, I fully agree with his comments that the game has been allowed to degenerate into a wrestling match.

It's the best game in the world when players are able to show their skills in safety. Make it safer and we'll see better quality games.**

As Bevo said "I hope that the NBL can get back to entertaining fans with pure basketball as soon as possible."


** REAL quality will come when most of our players can hit shots from outside the key, instead of just being selected for their potential ability to dunk.

Flynnsane great point!

Perth say people just hate Perth because they win.

If that's the case then why don't the back to back champions get into scuffles? It's because they play hard, but are not dirty. Other teams respect them.

Nothing wrong with that! Every other team sayz that when they play the cats why cant bevo? Like he said kev gets hammered, prime exampl when walker just jumps on him and the refs call a jump ball? Didnt ask for special treatmeant! Just waiting for this thread to come up! Here we go and see every one start on bevo!

I've already had a number of players speak up against this story/Bevo/Wildcats this morning. If I can (league might veto it) I'll post the players and a couple of coaches reactions on the site today.

BUT - What a load of shit.