Hoops

First active NBA player comes out

cliffs:
kdb: god is real, dislikes gays
speed44: no he isn't, doesn't

Haha, I don't like using it, but the comment I was referring to, literally made me laugh out loud. Sorry, won't do it again.

Yeah he did, but the christians say he can't be, as he is gay. God creates gays, hates them.

So he came out as a Christian?

I'm confused..

^ Does not know what a scientific theory actually means.

I will and have happily questioned islam too, no skin off my nose. Why should I fear questioning other mostly rational beings?

If you want your child taught about religion, you have options. First and foremost, do it at home if you really must indoctrinate them. If you couldn't be bothered doing that, send them to the many religious schools that exist, and happily teach creationism. I and many other people do not want religion taught in public schools, if it is, it must be all faiths on a study level, not as truths. Oh, and evolution vs creationism is NOT a debate. Hasn't been for a long time.

Yes, you can have a view of politics from a religious standpoint. But an elected official, who represents an area with many different beliefs, cannot involve his religion on his constituents. After all, it is "for the people, by the people". That is what I meant by religion in politics.

The people's homes thing? Fine, how about you live your family life by those "rules" and leave everyone else alone? Sound fair? Good! Marriage equality it is then.

I am not about revenge, I am about people finally being able to have a voice if they are not religious compared to the past where they were ostracized, and in some places still, being killed for it. Get used to it, we are growing in number, the last census proved it. Though you are still FAR from being a minority, LOL.

And please don't tell me that "moral influence" came from god or the bible. Elephant herds have morals too, and they are not reading the bible, or following the commandments. Don't start with that.

I'm done Broussard, stay out of Collins' life. Oh, and really learn what a scientific theory actually is. I don't think it means what you think it does. Gravity is just a theory too, huh? Why not jump off your roof and find out?

^ cliff notes?

#1. An apology? Ha. People do marry to be happy, not to procreate. Procreation is a choice a couple make. So anyone, as long as they love each other, should be able to be married and not be dictated to by some bronze age zealots. Why marriage equality is even an issue in 2013 is astounding to me. You are on the wrong side of history, if you believe otherwise.

#2. I don't believe I ever mentioned children, or being away from their homes. Whatever.

#3. That's sort of what I said: "I had friend in primary school who was gay, before I (and I'm guessing, even he) even knew what that was.". Yes, he probably didn't know he was gay, but it was obvious to a lot of us, looking back, that he was already at 5. I don't know about you, but at 5 and 6 I was already mad about a girl in my class, and had a super crush on my Grade 1 teacher. Sure, we don't understand sexuality at that age, but we know what we're attracted to.

If you read Jason's article, he knew he was gay from a young age. He admitted to living a lie to fit in. He was never hetero for 30 years. Way to look it up chief. Elton John got married too, and Freddie Mercury lived with a woman for years. They must've been straight too, yeah?

Also, I never said that sexuality isn't mental. Who's misconstruing now? I said that pedophilia is a lack of mental development.

#4. The issue is why you wouldn't feel comfortable.

I care not for your sky fairy. I don't care if you follow the bible. I'm just sick of the religious spouting their beliefs on the rest of us. If you want to be religious, great! But stay out of women's uterus', people's bedrooms, politics, and public schools. In fact, I believe freedom of religion to be a right that should not be interfered with by anyone. And my no religion is part of that freedom.

Atheists/agnostics aren't the ones trying to stop abortion on religious grounds, or the day after pill, or trying to get creationism taught in schools, that is you guys trying to force yourselves on us. Sometimes, we have to fight back. Sick of the religious screaming "prejudice", must hurt to have some of the treatment that the churches have been dishing out for centuries, come back at them. Well too bad.

If Collins' life disgusts you so much, don't comment, stay out of it, and don't tell us what you believe about it. We know that the bible contains one little quote about man laying with man, it has many other quotes too of which I find most christians do not live by. Funny how they hang on that one though.

For starters, it's not Jason Collins' opinion. It's who HE IS!! It's not an opinion.

Secondly, you can not be a pedophile when you are 5 years old, but I had friend in primary school who was gay, before I (and I'm guessing, even he) even knew what that was. We were only 5 but it was obvious by the way he interacted with girls and boys. Sure enough, by early HS, he had come out to us, but I knew ever since I met him.

Pedophilia is not a "natural attraction", it is a lack of mental development. To compare it to homosexuality is a typical low-brow, uneducated response.

The marriage argument is bullshit too. If my widowed Grandma wants to re-marry, I'm gonna say "No Grandma!! You are not allowed to marry, it's only for the development of children, not for your personal happiness!! Don't be so f**king selfish!!!".

Or if my infertile brother and his GF want to get married, I have to say "NO! You selfish bastards, if you can't produce offspring, you cannot be married and be happy!!".

You wouldn't share a shower with him because you think he may look at you? You conceited P.O.S.! If he does want to admire your body quietly, be flattered FFS. If you look after yourself, and are at the beach looking good, I'm sure you'd appreciate the ladies looking at ya. Ahhh, but he's male.....but it's not homophobic, nooooo, not at all.

"I don't hate gay people, or hate the acts per se. If coming out makes Jason feel better then good on him, but he can't expect that everyone will agree with him, but that they accept him for who he is, and in return, he accepts others who disagree with him and mutual respect is given from both parties."

Of course not everyone will "agree" with him, but that is their problem, not his. What does this "agree/disagree" thing even mean anyway? If my eye color is blue, can you disagree with me? No you f**ktard, you can't. YOU have the problem, YOU deal with it, and YOU STFU! Jesus!!!

"Having said that, there are churches in America that change people's sexuality, so who really knows these days."

These churches are scammers, no one has been "converted".

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^ Bingo! We have a winner, well said.

Of course you don't understand the "need" to come out. I'm guessing you're straight. I'm straight too, and I guess I don't understand all the ramifications of not coming out, but I can see why they do it. But my guess is that, he has probably been living a quiet secret existence all this time.

Why should anyone have to hide who they are just to appease others? Why should he have to hide from his friends and peers? The reason he is doing this so publicly is that the next Jason Collins will have the freedom and courage to say it without worrying about being judged by f**ktards like Broussard.

Of course straight people like you and me will never understand fully why the "need" to come out, because we don't have to. We are not prejudiced against for being straight, we are not called "abominations", we are not disowned by our parents for being straight. We are not looked at strangely by co-workers for being straight. We are not called names and have other abuse hurled at us for holding our partners hands in Rundle Mall. Pretty simple why we wouldn't understand the "need".


Oh, and this "choosing" to be gay business is utter bull. Those women you are talking about, are usually experimenting, bisexual, or chances are were gay and hiding it to "fit in" in the first place. This does not qualify as a choice. If your other half cheated on you so badly that you were disgusted by women, would you say "I know, I'll try men!"? My guess is no, you wouldn't, as you are not gay and do not have that attraction in the first place.

has there ever been anyone in the NBL kick the door off the closet?

Broussard is entitled to his own opinion, and it gave it. I don't see a problem with that.

What is upsetting is that people naturally have less tolerance towards homosexuality. It seems to concern them more than other peoples life decisions (religion, gender preference, political views.)

You don't hear Broussard, and other people say stuff like:

"I don't agree with Mehmet Okur and his Muslim faith. I consider it sinful. Or I don't agree with Amare and his Jewish Faith, its sinful."

Broussard should just stick to talking about ESPN. When you involve religion into anything, it becomes messy.

As for his "I don't agree with homosexuality" quote. WTF does that even mean? That's like me saying "I don't agree with "being black". The man is an obvious moron, he has officially "come out" as one now.

I laugh at these dipshits who think homosexuality is a "choice". Can you remember the day you made up your mind to be straight? Standing in the playground at school, looking at Jenny and Jonny, and deciding that Jenny was the way to go? Idiots!

I guess you could argue he didn't discriminate against Jason, but using what Broussard said on national TV, many others will now. He should definitely lose his job over it.

If Broussard is such a devout P.O.S. then he should complain about the Big 4 sports playing games on the sabbath, or the use of leather balls, or the players having tattoos, or working with women in the ESPN offices who are at that time of the month.

But he won't because as usual, he is one of those pick and choose christians (most of them are, especially in the US). F**k him and his bronze age bullshit views.

Grow up Boys!!!