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VJBL VC Finals

Worker - incorrect. Get your facts right.

Melbourne U14-2 of 2010 had 4 kids from their U12 VC team of 2008. There were 3 that made it to the U14-1's. This can and does happen at other clubs as well, especially at that age group with some kids maturing early.

One player of the U12 VC 2008 team stopped playing.

Of that original U12VC 2008 team:

4 remain at Melbourne
1 moved clubs
3 have stopped playing basketball

I doubt that these figures would be vastly different for other clubs. Kids change, some improve, some plateau, some fall out of love with the game, some parents get tired of the politics, expense, travel, etc. All experienced at other clubs also.

Of that 2010 U14VC team:
7 remain at Melbourne
2 stopped playing
1 changed clubs

Again, probably not a lot different to other clubs.

The VJBL rule implemented at the end of 2010 (2 new players per team) supposedly to prevent super teams and Melbourne's dominance looks like it has failed.

Melbourne are still strong and this is 3 years later??

My concern with the lopsided pools is more to do with the teams that get through at the bottom of the weaker pool. They usually go through and proceed to get spanked every week. The idea of splitting the pools after the classic was to try to have more competitive matches with the better teams playing each other and less spankings. I also can't imagine it's much fun for the team getting spanked to have to go through that for the next 9 weeks either.

I think the VJBL need to have a look at how they determine the 2 pools of 10 after grading. Last year's U16 girls and this years U12 girls were both heavily lopsided coming out of grading. I'm sure there's plenty of other examples as well.

Well, thanks for clearing all that up anon' it is much appreciated.

VC 16 boys will be a shoot-out between Knox and Melbourne I think, wait and see on that one.

VC Res 16 boys may prove to be between three teams, Kilsyth, Coburg and Geelong as each of these teams have held their own during the season. Geelong being the stand out, defeating both of the other two who struggle to cope with the combination in height and run of the Supercats...

Thanks for the article @Alpha, I hope he goes well at High School over there, I'm sure he will impress a few scouts.

I believe after the grading phase the teams are placed into either pool of VC according to their record and win/loss ratio from grading matches.

Not sure of the exact process, however it appears the teams to first qualify are split evenly and the following teams also split evenly between the two pools until we get the final number in each.

Hope that makes sense...

Please, anon', go ahead and explain the complexities of the matrix, as I have only tried to cover the post grading phase, but you seem to believe have a better handle on all things VC, so we can't wait for your complete analysis...

Oh, my bad it's actually spelt ASHE & WATSON...

Draws are up for elimination finals and qualifying finals matches. There will be some cracking games, at some interesting venues!

Nice to see the VJBL are re-scheduling some games so the players heading to the AIS this Thursday can still play with their teams upon return next Sunday etc...

@HO, what happens is from grading they split into two pools of 10 each for 9 games and the top 5 from each pool ends up in VC. Then they play another 9 games and finals to determine the winner.

Not the fairest if your team is in a really tough pool I guess, but really no other way I would suggest of doing it.

Grading is long and arduous, sorts out teams for the most part, so the top 20 earn their chance IMO...

It is a way of recognising the top team in VC, whereas in the past there were two top teams in each conference, so this was the VJBL's answer I guess!

@anonymous, no one is denying the fact that VC is the top 10 teams of the competition here, but what is your point with such a comment?

The VC Reserve is called 'V.C.' which stands for Victorian Championship. All 20 teams start in a VC pool and play half the season against each other.

Some teams end up in a tough pool, some have injuries or other hurdles along the way and end up in 6th position so they play in reserve. They could be unlucky not to be in VC in many cases, but the structure is what it is.

If the VJBL wanted to abolish this concept they could start with the top 10 teams after grading, call it VC and have 5 VJL levels below it (no reserve)??

As I have tried to explain, it is about keeping some history and respect for the ASH/WATSON format that recognises the top 20 teams in the state, nothing wrong with that I would think...

VC was once two Divisions (Ash and Watson) from memory, major difference now is that 10 teams miss out on playing in Championship, bottom 5 in each of those old divisions now make up what they call VC reserve.

Sometimes a team might just miss out making VC by percentage, so suggesting reserve is little better than VJL1 seems harsh, not only on the teams in reserve, but also those in VJL1 IMO...

Original thread is asking about VC finals, last time I looked it was called VC and VC reserve, so fair enough to talk about both I would think.

sorry for him.......but does that mean he will join the Sixers?