Hoops

To 36ers and BSA: please reschedule juniors

these threads are tiresome !
there are thousands and thousands of people in Adelaide that could be at the sixers tonight - leave the junior comp alone !!

I seem to recall that I would rather play than watch

My son can watch NBA on his phone and training next to Lightning was not pleasant, unforunately

Still glad 36ers asked the question

HaHaHaHa!!!!!! just shows how out of touch with reality the regular hoops posters are !
You could call all junior games off and i guarantee 99 % of those kids and parents would take the opportunity to have a night off from Bball and stay home !!
Give us cheaper tickets , edible food at a decent price or even a match program so we at least know who our year in year out players are and you might get a bigger crowd.
It is tough enough dealing with the junior basketball programming as it is without the hoopsters calling for changes so they can feel all warm and fuzzy about sixers crowd numbers

KB3, It's the enchantment under the sea dance this Saturday night, see you there, except if you have a de Loreon and 1.21 giga watts of power, then I'll see you in 1985, or 1885 if I get struck by lightning.

36ers beat NZ on Friday, I'm glad they made a formal request to see if the kids wanted to see them, but seems no interest.

Am I missing something here?

36ers were aware of the NBL schedule, BSA were aware of the NBL schedule, and with a little motivation any hoops poster could have cross-referenced the juniors/NBL schedules and phoned BSA over a month ago about postponing Friday games. Instead we have a thread less than one week before the clash...

If you have an issue with this but failed to do anything but whinge at the 11th hour, you're just as lazy as those you criticize.

Isaac, I think that is true. The Sixers and BSA need to find some common ground and negotiate from there. If the NBL has a generic schedule of four games per round, 1 x Fri night, 2 x Sat night, 1 x Sun afternoon, then one should expect 25% of the games to be held on a Friday night. (I know that is not 100%), therefore the Sixers should play 25% on Friday night which means then play say 1 in 8 games at the Dome on a Friday, which is say 3 or 4 per season. With clever programming some could be scheduled in school holidays leaving 2 "clashes" to be resolved

Be good if a hot day was forecast for Friday.
A little bit of excitement and build up here.

495, nice to see you attempting to contribute to the debate, albeit without actually explaining your position. What part of the discussion do you have trouble comprehending?

It's very simple.

BSA secure courts at an annual rate. They pay $X/yr regardless of use. They need to recover that cost plus a bit over the duration of the year. They recover those costs by hiring out the stadiums for games, trainings and events. Although they have secured the stadiums at a good rate, hey need to hire out the stadiums at commercial rates to make the deal worthwhile. This includes game nights as well.

Therefore, knowing the actual cost of the court hire, knowing the commercial rate, BSA then need to determine a minimum number of hours they need to charge that stadium out over the duration of the year. With court hire, it is unrealistic to assume a 100% charge out rate of the available courts. When preparing the operating budget for a court or stadium, BSA need to allow for a % of downtime in the budget.

495, I know you are trying to defend a position, but either you have not been involved in financial aspects of a business, or are playing dumb. Consider a electrician. You pay say $80/hr for a electrician, but that doesn't mean they get $166,000/yr as they can't charge out 100% of their time. At best they charge out say 75% of their time meaning they bring in around $125,000/yr and by the time you take out the overheads, they probably get paid $60K. If you need a 100% charge out to recover costs, then you are coin g it wrong.

495, consider your own working position. How does you employer recoup the cost of employing you? Those days you are on AL, PH, SL, LSL and not bringing in any revenue need to be accounted for in the OPEX budget. Those days you are spent in training or other administrative tasks need to be considered.

To claim BSA lose money on reschedules is bad accounting. I reinforce that it is not money that BSA lose, it is the opportunity to make money.

Nomination fee is not for court hire, it is for admin costs of administering the competition. The fee for entry to play at each game covers the court hire and cost of referees.

By moving games to Sunday, the same "game revenue" is still gained as would be the case from a Friday night game. However, revenue from training hire for Sunday's is lost as the games replace them.

Well said Jack Toft...........BSA losing money is incorrect.

448,
That is a myth that is wrong. Please provide additional information. There have been come who claim BSA would lose $20K per reschedule - to those I say "please provide the numbers to backup your ridiculous claims". Even if they "lose money" it shows that they have very poor accounting methods in place to recover their costs.

I assume the latent claim is based on the loss of court hire for club training. We have also heard outrageous claims on here previously that BSA over schedule games at Wayville because "they don't pay court hire"

Let's get this straight. BSA have long term court hire contracts on several stadiums. They pay $X/yr to secure the stadiums. Now, any competent organisation seeks to secure revenue of $X + % on that investment. Anyone who has a departmental budget to manage or their own business knows that if you pay an employee $30/hr you have to pay Super, uniform, tools, computing, phone etc and by the time you take out the AL, LSL, training days, SL, PH, you need to charge them out at around $70/hr to recover costs, $75/hr to make any money. Let's not forget you can't charge out every single hour, so there is usually a downtime % to be considered.

BSA need to be doing the same if they do not already.

The competitions committee organise the games. The nomination fee of around $200/team/season should cover the court hire for the season. If the going rate is $35/hr for court hire, then for a 13 game season the fee should be 13 x 35 = $455/2 teams/80% = $284/season. If BSA have secured a long term deal and can charge themselves for less than that rate, then they still need to charge out stadium hire at a commercial rate, not at a rate of $20/hr because that it what is costs them.

The same with court hire for training. If BSA are only charging out court hire at a rate less than commercial rates then they are only setting themselves up for a fall. In determining the rate a certain inefficiency needs to be taken into consideration. That is normal business practice. If BSA secure stadiums for a rate less than commercial rates, they still need to charge out stadiums at commercial rates. It's like a business securing a good deal on goods and then selling those goods to customers at the same deal. The business needs to make a margin on that deal and so do BSA.

At the end of the day, the claim that BSA lose money is incorrect. What is correct is that BSA have a reduction in their opportunity to recover costs.

Its only one game not asking for whole season change
Reschedule to sunday isnt too hard to do just change time if game at 6pm change to 830am its easy ,how they lose money i have no idea.

Even my 8 year old son can change schedule in 3 hours .The problem with this BSA organising schedules,is that they are lazy,an inside source told me they dont do much in the office everyday.Guys like Neal and Mike never been to a Sixers game.if they have the passion like Dean they would change.

was wondering if its known when if ebi is coming back. who was the tall guy who played on sunday, tremaine darden i think it was, is he development player or import on trial, anyone know???