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36ers cut Jarrid Frye, sign Rhys Carter

Jackie, I don't think he actually said that and so what if he did. It was probably from Joey or someone stirring the pot.

Frye was doing his best under pressure to consolidate himself here for as long as he could and it didn't work out that way.

Proud, I hate it when people needlessly feel like they need to go beyond reasonable criticism in situations like this just because they can.

Are people forgetting Teys is 6"2.

Laughable to think people suggest running him at the three.

Imagine a second unit of:

Cadee (6"1ish)
Gibson (6"2ish)
Teys (6"2ish)
Anthony (6"5ish-6'6)

You can suit 10 + 2 development players and 10 players away, several commentators have mentioned this and Perth have done this often enough at home over the past season and a half to believe that is the rules... On another note NZ came to Perth with 9 players suited and an injured Pledger on the bench, they had 3 foul out... If that isn't demonstrating what a development player should be used for then I don't know...

Ah ok, fair enough, could still add Daly in as 10th and make Teys 11th, just cant suit them both in the same game.

"Teys could still be paid the same, suit for home games as the 11th man i beleive."
You believe incorrectly. Only 10 fully-contracted players can suit up in any game, home or away. The Crocs had to be informed of this last year when they had a similar plan for introducing Luke Nevill.

Frye couldn't hit a free throw. Pretty simple really. As an import and with his skills to get to the rim you would expect him to be on the court in the final period. He is a liability in playoffs. If Frye was just 70% from free throw line you could accept that, but he shot worse than Paul Rogers from the line. The guy from the crowd at half time was better. As season goes on, with every foul shot the pressure gets greater and the misses get worse, mental disintegration.

Re Daly, with Carter obviously being a lower points value than Frye, they would now i assume have the points to promote Daly into the 10 and make Teys the 11th man if they wished.

I personally would love for them to do it as i think Daly is better than Teys, and i dont think he is much smaller either.

Teys could still be paid the same, suit for home games as the 11th man i beleive.

I personally hope they do this, but dont expect them to as there probably isnt heaps to be gained in the short term, as this is the 10th man spot and the 36ers have plenty of guards no matter which of Teys or Daly is in the 10 so they wouldnt likely get minutes anyway.

@ Wilson Sting, mate I had almost sent the post and then I thought about Sanders being cut, the point I was making that in 5-10 years our memories of players get blurred and would we remember Lazarre as the useless sod or as the King that played several solid games. Will we remember Ubaka as the shadow of his former self or the Taipan that at some stage was virtually influential in everything good Cairns were doing. Sanders will be remembered as the Damo type point guard that didn't thrill with stats but his last game was impressive.

Frye, um how will we remember him, decent defender and slasher who couldn't hit a jump shot or a free throw and took away minutes from a rising star?

@ Master, this was said during preseason when Adelaide beat Perth, when nobody knew how to stop the many strengths of Ennis, come the season proper and I think he pulled his head in his body language was anything but arrogant, almost timid.

So our perception has greatly differed over the time that Jarrid has been in the league

Jobs for the Boys, Daly is a better player than Carter.
Joey will find out at Practice.

Bit surprised the didn't go with Tom Daly personally. Cheap, awesome shooter, obviously knows the club well.

Strange decision IMO.

Proud, that is just a complete rubbish assessment of Frye isn't it?

He Hardly struck me as an 'arrogant sod'. In fact i would say his timidness worked against him in the end.

So one poor performance not too dissimilar to the tigers blowout and people suddenly point to Frye's points production as a serious problem.

There was a role for him on that team.

You wonder how much could have been achieved if he was injury free. I thought he looked silky smooth to the basket, but his outside game was pretty ordinary. 2/22 (9%) meant that teams knew he wasn't a threat out there. Last 3PM was back against Wollongong on the 29th of November 2013. His role wasn't to be a real outside shooter, but even if he bagged 30%.....

FTs were a real issue with a flat shot. 12/41 (29%) Should be money in the bank every time. As a comparison Wilson 86.9%, Pace 86.1%, Beal 85.7%, Sanders 84.2%, Wilkinson 80.4%, Conklin 77.5%, Ennis 77.4%, Ervin 76.3%, McCamey 71.8%, Camouche 66.7%, Johnson 56.1%, Young 53.1%. Even at 70%, could have been 29/41 - nearly an extra ppg.

Good luck to him in the future.

I agree with almost everything you've written proud but please don't lump Sanders in with Frye, Lazare and Ubaka. Sanders was a class act and solid player and did not deserve to be cut.

I'm absolute gutted for 2 reasons;

Firstly as a Wildcat last season Lightning Carter was my favourite player and I'd hate to see him play for THAT enemy!

Secondly Jarrid Frye was an absolute bum and I'm surprised teaks didn't foul him every time he touched the ball (with enough practice you'd make 29% of your free throws with your eyes closed). I'm really disappointed by this that Joey was so alert to the fact that they have carried this loser and given him unwarranted minutes.

This was the arrogant sod that at the start of the season said that he didn't understand the hype for James Ennis as he would destroy him on the court... What happened man?

Your only highlight was um you missed the first game of the season away to Perth... I was happy not to see you and look you won't be around for me to watch you on Friday either.

Good riddance and I wonder if in 5-10 years time when we look back on the season 2013/14 who we will remember as the bad imports. I think that Frye will win out over Lazarre, Sanders and Ubaka.

Just one last thing and I'm serious, did anyone from 36ers management try and get Darrell Summers?

Tom Daly anyone??

I won't miss him. He has underperformed even for a cut price import and his free throw shot is an ugly liability. His d was also overrated - he tended to foul more than a good defender does. I had high hopes after his first few games, but he was easily scouted it seems.

Carter played some good games previously and can add something to the team, if on song. If not, no real loss.

The only surprise is that it didnt happen a few weeks ago giving us perhaps time for better options.

Spot on AJ we could really use a pure shooter like Doc coming off the bench in short bursts to open up our offense which has become very predictable.

Isaac is right though, it wont help our outside game, we have to hope our current players can put a bit more practice in there and step up our efficiency somewhat.

Still a positive move I think, fingers crossed.

Cadee looked more than capable when he got the opportunity in ErvIns absence.

Strange Decision. They have to this point lived with the fact that they don't have a strong shooting team. It has been concerning at times, but the team has found ways to work without it.

So unless Ray Allen was the replacement, what difference does it make replacing Frye. A guy who was essentially a bonus signing in the first place.

We already have Gibson and Cadee sharing the Carter type role, and now we are down a SF.

Creek can take those minutes. But Frye didn't have to be cut to do that. We could of promoted Creek and used Frye differently.

This was a mistake i think.

This won't affect Cadee's minutes, didn't he only get 10 on the weekend? I thought you guys had already packed Cadee off to Sydney for next season anyway. Will be great to see Creek playing 30-35 minutes (or is that a little optimistic?).

mightta been BJ Anthony training with 36ers

@Nathan, I was given my pitchfork a long time ago

Another import training with Sixers,name of this player?

Who was the other import at Sixers training?

There's a special place in hell for puns like that, Jack.

Yeah i don't think you had to necessarily needed to cut Frye unless the replacement was a no brainier or would significantly improve the teams 3 point shooting problem.

I would have started Creek a few games ago and put Frye on the bench than bringing in another Guard.we have too many guards

So it means we start with same personnel and creek is promoted to start.followed by Cadee,luke,carter and BJ.

Big game Friday if we lose both games on weekend then we drop to 3rd.

I was looking forward dot a season without an import cut. I guess Jarrid is now out of the frying pan and into the fire,

Oh yeah points cap. I keep forgetting about that. I mean just downgrade Teys.

True, but they probably also wanted someone with a better jump shot given a few of their recent games.

I'd say they may have even looked at imports instead of Carter, and if there was more time id guess they would have done that, but given the short space of time with the replacement needing to play this weekend they have gone Carter who is a solid proven NBL player and has quite a few of Fryes strengths and a better jump shot, not the ideal replacement but i assume thats what they were thinking, and thinking its better to go with Carter than rush a import, and also if Creek is going to play more do they need a import?

Could also be a longer term move if Carter sticks around a few more years, which a average import is unlikely to do.

If the points cap didnt exist i wouldnt have been surprised if they kept Frye and let Teys go to get Carter in, but given the points cap they ccouldnt do that.

Overall id say its a ok move, not ideal, but as has been said a swingmin who shoots so low FT% aswell as 3Pt% is hard to build around, especially once the other teams start abusing it, which they have. Overall i generally liked Frye, but can see why this decision was made aswell.

But you don't have to cut Frye to give Creek more minutes.

should Sydney and Adelaide Trade

Camouche or Madgen

For

Cadee or Carter

obviously wont happen, but team balance wise it could be a win/win really.

Carter, even though smaller than Frye does bring many of the things he did, he hustles, works hard, plays d, is a decent athlete and is a better shooter than Frye, he may be streaky but still will be way better at shooting than Frye was and they will have to atleast half respect his jumpshot, so on that basis and allowing Creek more minutes this could really help the 36ers imo.

Still was sorry to hear Frye was cut and certainly wasnt expecting it, i thought they would just ride it out with this team and see what happens this season, good to see they are willing to make moves that could improve the team when required.

The biggest thing for me that comes out of this is more minutes for Creek, which alone will be awesome imo, i read somewhere he is the best dream team points per minute player, and last time i checked he was top 5 PER for the NBL, so he is a star in the making, he is also very athletic, energetic and exciting, i cant wait to see him play more from here on.

Why not just downgrade Teys to a development role or whatever it is and bring in someone from around the place who can shoot the 3. If frye was just a cheap bonus in the first place, why not just use him behind creek in a lesser role. He would still be useful.

Carter doesn't make the team stronger and throws the balance out a bit.

Adelaide and Sydney really should have coordinated better on this Guards thing...

Adelaide a little lucky to have played fewer games up until now, still able to get him enough games for finals.

Assuming Frye doesn't put some fearsome hex on the team as he leaves costing you a finals berth anyway.

Played horribly on sunday,lost confidence. A different player to the one that first came here.
EG 18points against Cairns and weigh got 2points, gotta double double in NZ...
..and I wonder if you know that I never understood
..although you said you'd go, until you did, I never thought you would

The best thing about this move is that it should open up plenty of minutes for Creek and force Joey to use him heaps, which i and many other fans have been wanting.

I thought Frye was ok and didnt see it coming either, but id say the poor shooting numbers were a major reason.

Is Carter in town and ready to go this weekend? i hope so.

I like Carter as a player and wish he had stayed since his first stint here, so am happy to have him back, may make us a little guard heavy, but if Creek plays 25-30 mins as i hope he does they only need 10-15 mins out of Petrie or Carter at SF so thats do able.

Thanks for your efforts Frye, all the best for your career.

Welcome back Rhys Carter!!