Hoops

Flopping and the NBL

"It's not fair to expect the Refs to police flopping."

It may not be fair but it's their job!

Maybe a post-game review committee should review flops and other controversial calls and make statements about whether they got it right or wrong, and in the case of flopping maybe issue some fines or some other form of deterrent (eg three strikes and your out for a game).

But the NBL aren't really in the habit of dishing out serious penalties.

Ring-ring!

Is it a telephone? No!

Is it a doorbell? No!

What is it?

Redhage's championship ring collection, of course!

Look, I agree that Redhage is bad, but it's a problem that's been in the game for years. It comes down to the referees. If the players didn't have to 'sell' a foul, and the game called the way it should be interpreted, the problem wouldn't exist.
I may be showing my age but one of our all time biggest floppers/ exagerator of fouls in the league was also out most decorated, Andrew Gaze, with CJ Bruton a close second. Although I loved Gaze, I think the way the referees had him as a protected species started the ball rolling on the flop era. The same with CJ. Both legends of the game- but both academy award winners too!
So my point, yes Redhage flops (or sells fouls), but he isn't the first and unless the referring stops rewarding it, he won't be the last.

knight looks the silliest, while flophage lovers enjoy it

Sorry Jake I was trying to speak to the Cats players but the flapping of the Championship banner, constant playing of 'We Are The Champions' and chinking of champagne glasses meant it was too hard to hear them

Hey Roger - you hold that head high , Gibbo/Petrie bitching after any call, Carter propelling himself sideways in game 2 to get a charge on Ennis ....though you stay noble.

Dress it up all you like, I'm not bitter and Perth were the better team ....BUT....

Redhage is a champ and has the W to prove it.

You lost, build a bridge and if you want to attack faking - you got a couple of targets too.

Redhage is a player you love when he's on your team & hated when he's the opposition.
Of course being on one of the best performing teams who was again for the 3rd year in a row on the grand stage the finals are, highlights it even more.

He has a few years to play and if he continues with flopping it could tarnish what has been a great career. People can have very short memories.

In regards to hating on Perth I admit watching the Wildcats over the last couple years I noticed they seem to piss me off more than any other team and I hated all teams over the past decade because we've never been good enough.

It was little things like watching Wagstaff get in between people and the ball when they were trying to grab it and inbound the ball after a basket and Lisch was just anoying to me for no good reason but could really ball.

Martin is the one I couldn't stand a couple of years ago but love watching now .

Hey 6ers fans easy fix - finish on top of the ladder and then you can sit back and listen to the morally courageous posters attack you (but you've still won so who cares).

Flopping is annoying but no way is it the epidemic being cited on here.

Also in regards to Redhage - Joey obviously gave instruction to rough him in game 3, bump ...bump..bump and he throws his hands up and gets the foul. Stupid coaching and it was Adelaide's ill discipline and questionable court roster that cost this game.

Personally I hope Joey believes his hard luck story, if flopping was eliminated through fines/fouls ...hate to break it to you - Perth still win.

I think a lot of Sixers fans would agree kneeing someone in the nuts or chasing another coach around a court is weak a piss but they were in old threads and we're talking about flopping in this one.

Redhage will tangle someone up and when they try get free will act like he's got shot.

I actually did the same thing he does to the man himself about 10 years ago and him and his team mates looked like they wanted to kill me.
I did it because I didn't have his talent or size and he was killing us. It was a last resort.

I understand you've got to sell fouls to the refs but he oversells it, especially with someone with his talent and size against someone half his size.

@marcus i'm an Adelaide fan and was outraged when Ervin kneed Goulding. I don't care what anyone did or said before that incident happened there is no excuse for that kind of behaviour. I was glad he was punished for it by being banned for a game

Think there are many things the league needs to fix up. Flopping is a significant one. So is the disciplinary system and the need to create tougher sanctions for unprofessional conduct.
Both ADL and PER have done some silly things this year – Perth with the flopping and ADL with Joey swinging and Ervin kneeing Goulding.

Neither team has being an angel this year.

I think the thing everyone can take away is that you shouldn’t judge a team, its fans and the entire city based on what one or two persons did.

Ervin and Joey were the ones who made mistakes, so don’t go attacking everyone else connected with the team.

Redhage and Ennis were the ones flopping/acting like brats, so don’t go attacking everyone else connected with the team.

Carfino certainly fed the perception of flopping, I don't think it was too bad either way and in any event, it's the refs jobs to call the foul or the flop so it's their problem. Carfino also admitted to bias in his call for game 2 because he wanted to see a game 3. Time for Carfino to go I think, the commentating team to be lead by Jeff Van G.

Flopping is weak and pathetic.

Aaaaaah Jack - at half time with the lack of goals I thought you'd sent Adelaide Utd over

Flopping is weak and pathetic. If we wanted to see stuff like that we would watch soccer

Boti just put a post about flopping up on his blog and as much as the timing seems like sour grapes I agree it's an issue that needs to be addressed, and pretty urgently.

If the NBL truly wants to grow in the Aussie sports market, it can't be a league renowned for exactly the type of shenanigans that the average aussie sports fan despises. We take the piss out of soccer for this stuff, and the NBL is at serious risk of being lumped into the same category if it continues down the current path.

This season was supposed to be about the benefit of the doubt returning to its rightful place - with the player on offence. That was very much the case early in the season. Gotta wonder how we ended up back here back at square 1 with what happened today.
As I joined in with a shitload of *trumpet music* "Charge!" shouts during the game today, I couldn't help but shout "Not!" after many of them, such was my guilt about getting those calls in our favour.

Have the refs forgotten that just not blowing their whistle is still an option for them?

I really don't blame the players for diving on board the flopping bandwagon. Seriously, it is smart to do so if the refs are rewarding them. Further to that, it's almost silly not to. Players who let their integrity as basketballers get in the way of their flopping are actually costing their team.

I really don't like it. I hate it when my team's players get in foul trouble because of it, and I feel bad when they're rewarded for doing it themselves. And it's bad for the game.

I really hope the NBL takes a legit stand on it next season and sticks with it.

I think the cats supporters are missing the point. I doubt you'd find a 6ers supporter that thinks the refs cost them the game. You can't win too many games scoring 60 points and shooting at 30%. That's what lost them game 3. That said something needs to be done about flopping next season. Seriously, the Perth court must be the cleanest in the league as every second play someone slides 6feet across the floor. No call would be a good start, then a few techs followed by reviews and fines. Wouldn't take much to get it out of the game. On the positive side great turn around from the sixers this season. Let's hope most of the group can stay together next season and go one step better.

What about the call on wag staff, where Cadee drove and jumped up/forward and passed then landed on/near wag staff and hit the deck like a sniper shot out his knees!

There's a difference between the few really obvious (and disgusting) flops that Redhage did today, and the fighting for defensive position and having the ref call an offensive foul... You can't put Knight, (who would fall into the latter category, despite overselling a few things) in the same bag as some of the crap that Redhage pulled today... I don't think the thing with Carter was too suss, it certainly looked like Carter got all up on him, so it's not a stretch for the old man to take a tumble, Carter's reaction and subsequent refs call is entirely Carter's fault.

I just cringed whenever the defensive player wasn't set and instead of a line call being a no call, it was registered as an offensive foul... Fixing this, as well as an after-match review for the over dramatic soccer-like performances, I think will go a long way to tidying up the game. Like Mick (I think?) said above, we don't want to punish the 50/50 calls, as often the punishment outweighs the crime, we want to stamp out the dramatic ones and I think if the players knew that those sorts of things would get a review after the game and sanctions such as fines and suspensions for multiple offenders will get applied, we'll see them pull their heads in...

No doubt Perth deserved to win the series, but I agree that the flopping in today's game was a disgrace. It's not just this game though. Unfortunately the NBL's refs prove time and again that they just aren't up to calling a balanced game. They are so easily conned and it affects the game to the point that away teams know that they can't attack the basket or play defence with any aggression. IMO the only way to win a final on the road in the NBL is to just shoot the lights out, because you're not going to be allowed to compete evenly on the physical side of the game.

It's up to the refs to call it. But I must admit it's a pretty gutsy call to make either way when it's live.

Saw looser

Sore losers, please!!!
Most 36ers fans would say Perth deserved to win it best team all year and it showed today, but the flopping Redhedge & Knight do is weak as piss for their size.
I've used the same tactic myself when you know the ref will fall for it when it's someone twice your size. Those 2 use it when the smallest players on the floor breathe on them.
I just don't understand how NBL refs still fall for it when it's highlighted so much.

I actually think the refs, overall, did a pretty good job. A much better series to watch than the rugby like play allowed in last year's series.

As for the flopping, I actually think it's better to just not call anything and let the play continue if the ref's think it's a flop. If you flop and don't get the call, you're basically one defender down and the team with the ball has an advantage. It also keeps the game flowing instead of stopping it for free throws.