Hoops

Big V 2015

If people are going to get up on this thread and start shredding other people I suggest do the same thing like Darren and put your name to your useless comments so we can see if they hold merit, otherwise shut the fuck up and go back to your pointless life.

No argument there about Hutchy, Bear. Top fella.
Good luck to the cats this year. Will be another great year in D1.

Daz Best is straight back to Chelsea as he signed with them before he left for UK and is there together with Corey, Vlad and Branko, returning players from last year.

What are your thoughts on hutchy returning to the Cats bear ?
Able replacement for Goodgame ? They playing finals again in 2015?

Will be very interesting to see if the new coach Mark Leader will make changes at Corio Bay, the roster last year was pretty good but some have moved on, as they always do.

Imports will again be a key, last year's imports were very good, but didn't quite get it done when it counted. Good luck to Mark and the new team, I think they will be a very strong outfit again in Champs Div 2015...

Sandringham to put in BIG V divisional sides like Geelong in 2015.

@Ashke, playing SIM City in grandma's basement, classic pisser mate...

Great news for Stingray program, every qualified and experience basketball person they can add to their program is a bonus for their growth and development I believe!

Have you seen the standard of ylw, it's worse than un18 div1 in VJBL in many cases,

Yeah I think you might find that it was more than just Bartlett that was too old for YL. Ian Wright is older than Bartlett and the Import wouldn't of been able to play YL either. However, they do have a very strong mix of young talent coming through none the less.

How will Shepparton's Women's team go this coming season? Last year their best player was Barton by a country mile and she is in year 12 this year, will she be moving on to Uni or going back to Bendigo now that her study isn't so full on?

The D1M competition was already chocoblock in 2014, surely there can't be too many additions to the comp without a few teams going down as well?

Facts mean that the statement is true, if you actually read what has been said then have a look back over the season, you will find that what Ashke is saying IS fact and that the rubbish Anon is going on about IS NOT fact.

What would one class as competitive? I thought Sth Pen did a reasonable job in D1W all things considered.

Southern Peninsula women looking to go to State Championship.


Seriously!!!????? Think they need to be competitive in div1 first

Bartlett may not be around yet.....

@Bear... Take it from someone who lives here. We've got a REALLY bright future.. whole D2 championship team could have played YL. Personally I hope they go up to div 1, but another year in D2 with our younger players getting heavy minutes over Summer in CBL would do wonders.

It's not a matter of getting guys to return. It's about developing the ones we have... A lot of the ones possible to get back are guards anyway and we have plenty of them so it's not a huge stress.

There are some decent young players out Shepparton way Ashke, not sure how strong the seniors will be as that will provide the backbone of the team if they go to D1, but I would also like to see them up there...

Anon.
The flyer on their website advertises tryouts for Youth Men AND Women.
Wether or not they're accepted is another matter, but it appears they intend to enter both.

Shepparton totally out played Casey in the grand final series.

If they had of made free throws and got a few calls go their way in game 2 the margin would of been much greater.

Bacchus Marsh, Sherbrooke, Mornington and Chelsea have all advertised EOI's for youth Women. Could perhaps see a shake up of the divisions?
So Hobba is leaving Dandenong ? But is the rest of the squad strong enough for Champ?

5 or 6, anonymous ? Got any names ? What happens to the local guys who were playing in 2014 ?
I applaud their ambition to better their program, I think all clubs should be aspiring doing so, but shouldn't it be done with a backbone of local talent ? The question has been asked on this forum before about recruiting a top level team and the sustainability questions that it raises...

They did (well not the first year). But they also had some other very decent talent on that roster (hicks, reardon, Hutchison. Osborne etc) as well as import Eric Williams.

SCM ?? One player doesn't catapult a team from D2 to State Champ...
If they had some more signings perhaps...

Isn't the majority of McKinnons senior women's team the waverly team from a few years back ? Coach and all ?
Could be mistaken, but isn't that the same thing...?

Any surprise results from the awards last night ?
Though Kaban unlucky with D2M MVP and a few all star picks were questionable perhaps.

All 3 coaches ? Surprising
#cavsnation, get over it buddy. Nobody cares.

Casey has reappointed all three coaches for next season.
Clearly looking to keep things stable it would seem.

Oakleigh advertising an EOI for D2W
Chelsea same for Youth Women
Both WP men's teams require new coaches. Whisper of the Men's team looking at a former D1M COTY
Casey women's coach to be an ex player

You mutha F@ckas make me laugh. Always the same old bull sh!t

#HD, we have been talking about country teams. People here are proposing removing imports from D2 and restricting D1 to one.

That limits country teams and would probably see many of them leave the league.

A country team spending 8k on 3 Australians to come play for them would be stupid, as it would just suck up court time for some kids, but getting one import at 25k who does other things compliments your team and program if you manage it right.

Mildura or Shepparton or Horsham or Wodonga or Warrnambool would be unlikely to get an Australian at 8k for anything other than playing, and even then getting them to commit to training would be difficult.#


seriously why do DIV2 players need paying, its not a huge comp standard wise really so why do they need to have an import, DIV2 is like CBL level, they don't allow imports in that comp, and any 'import' worth any good is surely not going to settle for DIV2, come on get real guys.
Totally agree with who ever said if the removal of one player means that team cant compete you need to seriously ask should they be their in the first place.

@HO, it does appear that game was played for seedings as you suspected it might have been:

State Championship Men

Corio Bay claimed home court advantage for the playoffs with a stirring 99-74 demolition of Ringwood in the Hawks own gym.

650.00 per week is way over the minimum wage here in Australia, just ask those who would love that as their minimum wage

$500 per week, LOL turn it up.. For starters the minimum wage in Australia is $640 per week, so the absolute bare bones an import can legally be paid if he turned up at the start of the season and left at the end is about $16.5K. Then they get other benefits on top like car, accom, camps etc.

Its more like $25K for a D3/Duco player and up to $60k for a top notch import.

Some of you also need to ask BigV what their ruling is on making payments to players on Holiday and non working/sporting Visas too...


Don't know what country your living in but $650.00 per week is certainly a lot more than the minimum wage

Well for it to be overturned I'd say he has more supporters than idiots who want him out so I'd say he's very safe

Think you will find most YL teams are local talent, especially if they have a champ team or SEABL team rather than just a div1 team. Look at dandenong YLCW team every single one of their players has come through the ranks of dandenong juniors with one exception. Knox, Bendigo, Ballarat all the same.

Personally i think the League should restrict the use of imports in Div 1 to 1 only and not allow imports in Div 2.

The lower divisions should be about local content and development.

Thoughts?
I agree totally with this, develop what you have especially in these lower divisions.

Why would Darren perry leave dandenong SEABL men when he's such a success their to go coach in bigv .... Really think about it?!!!!!

On the face of it HO, may seem pointless, but the people attending enjoyed an exciting game, the association hosting that game got more promotion from the event and the players get to keep their eye in by not having a week off.

I know some players with niggling injuries may have benefited from a week off, but it's not like football where the week's break is more of a benefit IMO.

The Big V scheduling is all over the place, some conferences, other divisions no conferences, etc... It is hard to follow, however it is what it is I guess!

Bower's reputation as a coach is taking a hammering...Warrandyte and now Bulleen...

Well if there is in fact a bitter rivalry it will be on show this Sunday as there Youth Men both face each other in round one of the finals.

The BIG V do ask. I know clubs i have been at i the past have done this. And have been knocked back or promoted on the strength of said list.

I think in the lower levels and youth levels it is a little harder to get right.

you have unknown players or juniors coming through that nobody has seen that can make an impct.

When you ask to be promoted/relegated you are asked to provide what your list is going to be made up of for them to make the most educated decision they can.

Obviously a little easier to make if you have recruited players with a reputation or a history of performing as there is numbers to back things up.

Actually HO, I do believe in the promotion/relegation theory and I think it could work, should work...

I just think it is in the too hard basket for the league based on facts mentioned, especially when it comes to money and buying success through imports.

(Perhaps it's too hard for an organisation at Big V level to control something like this)?

Happy Days please stop!! talking such sense on here should is banned.

I always thought relegation and promotion, like the football leagues and soccer leagues do it, was the way to go in hoops!

However, the team composition and ability to change teams by moving players and introducing imports during the season play such a major factor in success, how hard is it for the Big V to actually make that call...?

#484754,

"Strictly adhere to a promotion and relegation"?

BIG V has not stayed strict to this at all, look accross the league and you will see many teams that have gone up and down based on the level of play they should be able to achieve.

Clubs have the chance to apply to go up or down a division every year.

Are you a disgruntal coach or club oficial who tried to get promoted and failed?

Every year coaches and clubs claim they should go up a division. Don`t talk about how good you are, SHOW IT!!!!!!

#485033

Not sure what behaviour you are reffering to, I was at the game on the weekend for Keysy and Casey and a part from two teams giving there all on the court that was it.

Coming from a seperate association to both these teams you would hope that they do have a rivalry given they are both local to one another. if they didn`t there would be something seriously wrong.

However don`t let the truth get in the way of a good troll or BS story. FIRE AWAY.

Thanks for the input anon 619, I wasn't pushing any personal agenda mate just trying to reply to HO's question.

To the best of my knowledge based on the facts that the Geelong Big V D1 team is on top of the ladder and has no imports in it, unlike other teams in that state competition.

Also, my knowledge of our local competition and the make up of the teams I see weekly.

What facts can you bring to the debate, please enlighten us with your wisdom, don't hold back champ?

Most Domestic games I have been a part of or watched its the higher quality players that do the least amount of scoring as they are usually in chill mode. Where as the domestic warriors are trying to get a name for themsleves against the better players.

So I would dare say if a player from SEABL plays in domestic they are not going to put up 50 points a game even thogh we know they can,

Comparing any form of rep to domestic is stupid, the mind set for both forms of the game are completely different and serve different purposes.

It`s the same as hearing some guy tell you about "The time i played against this NBA guy and killed him" Well hey based on that result surely you should have made the NBA as well?

-NBL is our elite national Comp
-SEABL is the premier level under that
-BIG V serves it`s purpose as our elite local/state based comp.

@HO Most Geelong Assoc' D1 men's domestic teams have one-two or at most three SEABL players, plus you may find some of the Big V Champ players from CB and other Big V players from D1 making up half a team.

Then you have your ex-SEABL and Big V guys and of course the young guns coming up from U/18's and youth league players, but I would think this to be similar in other places, not very different at all.

It's a strong domestic comp, but Big V D1 Geelong team would hammer almost any one of them, maybe they'd be pushed by the best one or two domestic teams but probably not get over them.

The gap between Champ and Div 1 is huge and budget does play a big factor in this. For the remainder of the comps the top two teams would do just fine in the division above them.

Quality of the Youth leagues, State youth champ aside (as they have many juniors refilling the ranks)
Is always going to be an up and down thing, the moment a side gets to a successful level the senior team is going to elevate players to the senior squad (AS THEY SHOULD)

The rebuilding period then starts all over again and the next crop comes through.

It all swings in round abouts, a few years back DIV 1 men the big complaint was how the standard would drop as the 8 top teams from D2 went up. Within a year the dominant sides in that division were the "weaker" teams that had come up a division.

If all divisions were purely based on how good teams are how would they look? There would be a heap of teams that should be in different divisions, hell some senior teams would struggle vs youth sides as is evident by preseason results year after year. I am Mindful of the fact not everyone is going 100%, however regardless of this if you are the top ranked side then show it.

Uuuhhmmm, Blackburn, yeah so what division, who was the opponent and where are they on the ladder, were they missing players, did they have something to play for and are you a player yourself (do you understand the game)?

I may regret this...

Do you have any examples ^anon or are you just making a random comment?

Sherbroke dropping out of SCW?? Thats a backwards step, is that confirmed?