Hoops

VJBL Quality or Quantity?

To be honest none of it should be a secret either. If the Associations are incorporated bodies as the majority would be, all financials should be listed according to their constitution and model rules.

I don't know what a CEO is paid HO, but if an Associations gets the right one it will make the world of difference, that is for certain.

The other thing for certain is exactly your point^ suggesting CEO's of one Association have a much bigger responsibility than another. Essentially a similar role, but a much broader set of KP's...

Having a bit of a troll around I found some stats on the annual report for BV 2013.

It appears that in that year the VJBL had 77 u/20 teams, 359 VJBL league teams, 416 Regional teams and another 121 listed under VJBL Mini.

I have no idea what mini teams are, but if we add this total it gives us 973 teams in that season.

Let's round that off to 1,000 VJBL teams, potentially.

Team costs are on average about $550 per team, give or take.

That will provide the VJBL about just over half a million dollars revenue per season to run the competition at their end going on those basic sums, if I am right here...

Now we just need to know what they spend it on to determine if it is a cash cow or not, true??

Not sure of the breakdown @Happy Days, they is listed as team entry fees so they could be inclusive, but the finacials of such an organisation are not so easily comprehended.

i will help you out there HO, from the VJBL web site on this link here are the team entry fees for 2015/16:
http://www.vjbl.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/images/PDFs/New_VJBL_Association.pdf

VC
Spring Season $30 per team
Grading Season $190 per team
Championship Season $430 per team

Junior League 1-4
Spring Season $30 per team
Grading Season $190 per team
Championship Season $310 per team

Regionals
Spring Season $30 per team
Grading Season $190 per team
Championship Season $310 per team

Thanks anon-#421 for the reply, I agree with one thing in your post, that is the concept of allowing 8 teams in a 10 team competition to play finals. Too many, it removed incentive and competitiveness while rewarding mediocrity.

However, I don't agree with the rest of your post, the current VC structure allows 20 teams to play for 9 rounds and split into a top 10 elite core who play competative hoops and a secondary 10 who are also usually close in their match ups.

The old system had two VC divisions and if you were lucky (or unlucky) your team would be stuck with 9 other teams with no change for a whole season.

Anon #425, the standard of VC changes every year depending on that particular generation and last time I looked Victoria was still doing very well at Nationals. Maybe you have not given enough credit to other states for their improvement and development?

Good luck with that one HO, it is such a broad reaching enterpirse these days with so many elements to its financhial system that will make analysing these points, valid as they are, very difficult.

I am unsure of team costs into the VJBL these days, however they were substantial enough years ago and I have never seen the VJBL clearly state how it uses any surplus; But as an incorporated body I suggest they should be displaying their financials with their AGM minutes somewhere...

Correction, the amount of players in a football team is closer to double+ that of basketball, not four, obviously!

@Happy Days

'In local football theres one rep team per league per age group which makes it an honor to make that team. I had 4 rep kids on my domestic team and they were no better than the rest.'

On this statement^, comparing football representative teams to VJBL basketball rep' teams is not exactly fair. Football rep' teams at league level are more like basketball rep' teams at State level. The number of kids in one football team is also four times that of one basketball team, not quite the same IMO.

Also, your example of 4 rep' players in one team, no better than the others is very subjective, it doesn't really support your arguement. Any number of coaches in the VJBL can give examples to counter this or support it based on their personal opinion I believe.

Anon @#498376 I don't see your point because years ago it was percieved as a Melbourne centric competition with draconian and outdated policy supporting those Melbourne power clubs and essentially the VJBL was seen as a Metro Melbourne bias competition.

Thankfully it has expanded and embraced Association participation outside that scope. But, along with this we all had to accept that the introduction of outer suburban and country Associations would bring along with it some additional issues.

Travel time and logistics aside, the new look VJBL is inclusive and as such allows the smaller Associations to at least develop their program to a point where if they are good enough they can make VC and play against the big power clubs at an elite level.

If not, then they make up the numbers in lower divisions and of course can still play against the top Associations in those divisions, however to split the VJBL and create another competition based on elitism suggests going backwards and doesn't address the real issues, it would just creates more problems IMO.

Interested that Bulleen wasn't included in the top 10 clubs. Won 2 VC titles and not far off the third equalling Dandenong. Based on this seasons results and awarding 10 points for VC win and 1 point for finishing 10th in VC, club rankings at the elite level are:
Melbourne 59
Dandenong 54
Knox 46
Bulleen 43
Hawthorn 30
Nunawading 30
Diamond Valley 28
Sandringham 19
Eltham 18
Keilor 15

Re this debate, particularly in the younger age groups, you don't know how kids will develop. We have kids in the 5's bottom age that may make the 1's so if you limit teams to 3 you may miss these kids. At 18 girls we have 56 at tryouts. Much prefer that these girls continue to play rather than the alternative. We do rank 2 in VC and metro 1 in this age group.

It's kids sport, it should be encouraged no matter what the level of kids want to play, better they do that than roam the streets. Of course not all levels will be equal, but it also allows all abilities to have a go.