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36ers Roster Q

Just thought I would update you on my request for the Player Points loyalty discount rules from the NBL that I emailed them about on Tuesday.



There we go, informative update. Yes, I have not heard back from them, not even a we can't give you that info or we will find that info for you. Nothing. No reply.

Add Mika Vukona and I believe next season Corey Webster may meet the criteria (not sure what influence the suspension may have on his eligibility).

The multi-year contract reductions only really apply if your player points value goes up. I don't think that would be the case for Weigh and Tragardh, they've stayed about the same. Alternatively the multi-year contract could work against the team if the player's stock goes down.

that and the Breakers made most of them the players they are through the academy and then development spots on the roster, building even more loyalty to the franchise.

TBH NZ doesn't currently have any issues in regards to the points cap as we have loyalty discounts in place along with young guys like TeRangi signed on long term contracts at their Rookie points value.

""After all, he is being loyal to NZ in this league."

So Kirk Penney too then?"

that was to be my next argument ;)

I was trolling :)

You can often get good value for money from imports who have played in the league aswell if you find a guy that fits the role that you want

Guys like
Josh Pace
Torrey Craig
Lance Hurdle
Scott Morrison, etc

Could all play a role in the NBL if they suit your need and you wouldnt have to break the bank to get them,

Probably less upside in getting those guys, but you know what you are getting and can be fairly sure they wont be a complete bust.

Can NZ get a discount for Jackson?
He only left for one season and didn't play much due to injury and came back so that's loyal?
Plus he didn't play for another NBL team so it must almost be consecutive?

DJ should be as qualified for the loyalty discount as he is to play finals.

He is as qualified to play finals as any other genuine all season player. QED

I would try and keep the exact same team if possible, a team that can win 9/10 games in the current stretch is worth keeping together, including Wilson who has made some positive changes to his game.

Salary cap may be a tough one, but as has been noted we do have a import spot in hand so if at worse we lose one of our main players we could probably replace them with a import who is cheaper $$ wise and may be just as good/better, so all looking positive.

Joey is a coach these guys seem to want to play for so that helps in keeping the guys,

other factors may be a 'go home' factor or another team offering big $$$ and significantly out bidding us, but surely we wouldnt lose more than 1 or 2 guys this way and 1 could be replaced by an import.

So im excited for our roster for the next few years, we should be strong baring a major unexpected walk out or something.

I have emailed the league to try and get the rule to stop all this fighting.

Won't somebody please think of the children?

Does anyone here get their long service leave re-credited to them when if they return to the company they originally worked for? Generally that will only happen if it's less than 3 months away. Isn't it the same principle?

In essence he left at the end of last season, went at played overseas, then came back. Sure not at the start of the season, but he didn't go to another NBL club. And played in consecutive seasons.

Now as far as the loyalty discount goes, I agree with I think it was Uwe who suggested maybe it should count for full seasons so that he doesn't lose the time he has played previously, but he doesn't get the discount next season as he has not played five full seasons here. But would then get the discount the following season.

Just some thoughts.

I think the intention of the loyalty discount is to reward player who stay with the same NBL club.So even tough he has been overseas, he has still stayed with the same NBL club for the last 5 years. It can be open to interpretation but I don't believe DJ or the 36ers should be penalized for DJ wanting to try overseas.

Loyalty should work both ways - if Adelaide were more loyal to DJ they would have offered him more coin up front instead of giving it to Big Red.

Actually, just on the subject of players going overseas while still contracted to NBL clubs, what does everyone think of the FIFA loan system, where a team gets some cash for a player they loan to another club?

I think this would be great to inject some extra funds into the league as well.

So for instance if DJ's contract was for 250k, then a Euro team wanting to sign him would pay the 36ers say even 10% so 25k. That is some compensation for losing a good player and also helps the club financially.

Well maybe you have to look at the DJ scenario like this.

If a player finishes their season in Australia and then heads overseas in between seasons, should his loyalty discount not apply because he played for someone in between?

Surely Loyalty is only within the NBL. Top players have an "out clause" so they looks at options overseas in "stronger" or more financial leagues. Players doing this are not disloyal. Players who leave Adelaide to go to Perth, then to NZ are disloyal and so do not become loyal again when they decide to return to Adelaide.

I would be happy to see DJs previous service count towards a loyalty discount as he hasn't played with any other NBL team but I don't think they should count this partial year.

Creek is a bench player. Get an import SF to start. Why not DeAndre Daniels?

You're also assuming Schenscher would stay for a lot less money, because Adelaide should put him on about half of his current salary.