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Shuffle Offense: Pros & Cons

Read and React is a philosophy too, not an offense.

Some of you are mixing the 2 up.

Many many coaches DO NOT use an offensive structure and just teach kids to "read and react"... i.e jungle ball.

"Among the funniest things I tend to see on basketball courts is the coach trying to teach something like a complex system that he/she actually doesn't know themselves."

I've seen this happen. All of a sudden you've got 3 players in the same spot all looking at each other with quizzical/accusatory looks on their faces and, if the coach isn't on top of the drill, he/she can't tell the kids who should be where!

I'm coaching U12s at the moment and trying to get them into some sort of structure (mainly 5 out or 4-1 pass/cut/replace) just to teach them movement and spacing. I always try to emphasise that the reason we run set plays is to get a scoring opportunity. I also hope that, as they progress, the ones who show promise and can show that they can follow the coach's instructions will have a better chance at higher levels.

Back to OP, one play I liked which might suit him with athletic players and no dominant big, is UCLA (what I was told it was): it uses running off screens, a pick and roll, and reacting to the defence.

" A structured offense is what you run until you can score"

Is a quote I remember well form one of the BA international coaches tours.

NOTE: its NOT the same as " a structured offense is what you run to score"


Watching some of the elite coaches run sessions, who really knew their "structured offence", - they were continually emphasisiing that all the players with and without the ball had to take the best choice from what the defense was giving them

Ie on ball screens - was the defense hedging hard, double teaming , switching, going over or under the screen and chose tyo take the actuon within or oiutside of the offence that would give the score.

A structured offence seemed for these coaches always to be about keeping the defense having to work hard to just read and react to the "automatic" movement of the offense, while the offence was continually moving while looking to break down the defence with a "chosen" ( not a Planned ) move.

Its like the defence, a semi-crap standing-still zone defence will almost always be more effective than a semi-crap man-to-man defence at low level ( or early years) grades - ( ie U12s) , but a really physically gifted and mentally alert man to man will be tougher than a similarly skilled man to man at the higher grade and skill levels. IMHO

I read all the comments and two threads keep coming through without being said: kids need to be able to follow instructions, and kids need to be able to play to instructions without getting so caught up in the game that they stop thinking.

Whether it's through flex or shuffle or no structure at all, listening and following instructions is a skill too many youngsters don't have in the levels I coach and watch.

The uncoachable ones aren't likely to ever make NBL or higher, no matter how big or fast they are. Sure, there are exceptions, but I doubt if any top-level coach has the patience or time to teach someone who won't follow instructions.

Keep it simple for sure, but challenge them mentally if you really want to help them go places.

And for anyone who thinks read & react is kids' stuff, I'd say reading the play is relevant to any level, even to pro's who follow a play book. There's nothing worse than a play that needs the defence and the refs to act in a certain way, and fails when they don't.

"Less is more! " Spot on Bear!

I would say focus on: Shooting, shooting, shooting.

If you are second on the ladder, then something is working. Let's say you're getting 35% from the field and have 80 shots per game, just increasing that shooting % by 5% to 40%, then that's 8 ppg.

My philosophy is simple. Each possession of ours finishes in a good shot on goal by us, or a foul by them. Each possession of theirs finishes in a bad shot on goal, turnover, or clever foul by us.

Among the funniest things I tend to see on basketball courts is the coach trying to teach something like a complex system that he/she actually doesn't know themselves.

So, how do we expect young teenagers to get a grip on more than one offensive system, let alone all the options and variations that comes with these overbearing playbooks?

Less is more!

I tend to agree with this notion, sadly however many coaches get a little too carried away with their own self-importance and become too risk adverse, even at Nationals and beyond.

I have seen too many times, kids being coached with a fear of losing and making a mistake rather than the joy of playing to win and competing for the love of the sport, even if they don't always win...

I tend to agree with your overall philosophy there @Tyrell, however if you apply a simple offense to that equasion you can certainly teach this level of kids something that will improve them.

I recently took on a domestic U/16 boy's team that had some decent basic skills, but really no system or game style other than using their own ability and looking for opportunities as the defense gave them.

Kind of like R & R, but more like 'run and gun' with some jungle ball. So, the first thing I did was use a couple of games to establish with them what we can do in the competition we were in and where they stood with their offensive and offensive kill sets.

Once we were all happy that it was possible and suitable I started to show them some simple 'Flex' offensive principles and over the period of a few more weeks and the availability of a training session or two, we have started to play with as much freedom as before but also with some purpose and learning thrown in.

The kids love it, sure it doesn't always work as drawn up, but that is the beauty of how I am approaching it, even where we mess up the play we still do something to get an open look, a drive or some option to score (usually)!

The basic principles of offense still apply, spacing, timing and movement.

This is what I teach, using a simple 'Flex' system or a more complex 'Shuffle' is more horses for courses, but adopting a fun approach and one of 'You learn from your mistakes, so don't worry about making them' is what will ultimately improve kids at about this age group...

Pros: Your kids can learn some new ways to play and a system that gives them direction on the court, hopefully also some variations and options.

Con: If you don't have at least two training sessions per week to practice, you will struggle with this system and everyone, (probably most of all you) will likely become frustrated and maybe angry.

You may risk producing or teaching robots if you don't approach this properly and with the right mind set to keep your kids from worrying too much about getting the play correct, not just playing ball.

The issue of training will be the main one...

Thanks for the feedback however I'm not sure if my original question has been answered i.e. what are the PRO's & CON's of the Shuffle Offense?

Lindsay Gaze & the Melbourne Tigers ran the Shuffle Offense during the late 80's & early 90's with great success.

What made this Offense so successful?

Did they run it with Mark Bradtke in the line-up?

Sorry - should have said 'READ' & react type stuff...

Our current offense is simply pushing the ball on transition and the boys playing off each other - spacing, react & react type stuff, receiver spots, etc. No real structure. We currently sit second on the ladder - I thought introducing a more structured offense might make us better?

In a game of basketball each team has roughly the same amount of shots on goal in a game. The only thing variable is turnovers (and offensive rebounding).

Obviously, whoever makes the most of their shots scores more and should win. As an offensive team, each possession should finish in a higher % shot on goal, or a foul by them.

The job of the defensive team is to force the other team to shoot poorly, or to turn the ball over so they limit their shots on goal.

Before changing offenses, you should ask yourself what is going wrong currently. If you are considering something else, the current offense sounds like it is not working. With good shooters on your team, is it execution? What style of turnovers are you having? (e.g. bad passes, fumbles, out of bounds etc) What style of shots are you taking (e.g. drives, 3's, jump shots, pass offs to players in the key when the help defence comes) What shots are working, what are not.

Before you change, consider the execution of the current offense.

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