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koberulz

Years ago

Shawn Redhage's 350th Game

Personally, if naming my all-star 5, I would have bother Grace and Ellis, but that is somewhat dishonest as both played almost exclusively at PG.

They played two whole seasons in the same starting five. Possibly a third, I'm not sure whether Ellis started in '92.

Ellis, Crawford, Fisher, Vlahov, and Grace all have their jerseys retired, and rightly so. Redhage will be up there with them eventually. I'm not entirely sold on Martin yet, but assuming he sticks around and doesn't have any sort of monumental PR disaster he'll be in.

Lisch does not belong on that list.

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koberulz

Years ago

paul, if you were Perth would you retire Lisch's number?

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koberulz

Years ago

If Lisch plays eight or nine years for Illawarra, winning an MVP or two and a couple of titles, his stint in Perth is going to be nothing more than a footnote. It would be absurd to retire his jersey here.

You solely listed a group of guys who deservingly had their jerseys retired after a decade or more in Perth, in the context of judging Redhage, who should have his jersey retired after over a decade in Perth. It's pretty fair to see longevity as a relevant variable.

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koberulz

Years ago

paul's list consisted entirely of decade-long Wildcats who went on to have their jerseys retired. That's not a list Lisch will ever belong on.

If the initial list had included Pinder, Feaster, Harvey, etc. I'd feel differently about including Martin and Lisch, but if you're going to rattle off the list of retired jerseys the standard you're implying is a bit different.

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koberulz

Years ago

All the others you listed were Wildcats for a decade or more each. Lisch played four seasons, he definitely doesn't belong. Martin is closer.

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koberulz

Years ago

Deserves to be mentioned alongside names like Ellis, Crawford, Fisher, Grace, Vlahov, Lisch and Martin.

Not sure Lisch and Martin really belong on that list.

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MACDUB

Years ago

I've found generally in sports that sometimes fans will take the criticism to a whole new level based on how good the player is.

Redhage is a flopper no doubt. I think the fact that opposition fans hate him so much is a testament to the fact that he is a very good player and has been over the years (though I don't support what he has done).

Would they hate as much if he was an average player who wasn't part of such a successful team like Perth? Probably not.

All Black legend Richie McCaw comes to mind - arguably the best to ever play the game. Opposition fans were using anything and everything to try and find a way to label him as dirty - in reality they were mad that he played 14 years for the All Blacks and won 131/148 international games as part of the one of the greatest teams in the history of sport.

Fans hate good players. Non-Warriors fans probably hate Curry more than a player like Barbosa..

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Luuuc

Years ago

Exactly

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koberulz

Years ago

Doesn't the fact that there's an argument about whether or not he's divisive simply prove that he is?

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Luuuc

Years ago

None of which changes the fact that Redhage is indeed a divisive character in the NBL.
Not sure of the reason for the objection. It's pretty obviously true. That doesn't take away from what he has accomplished.

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Natwhereyouat

Years ago

Pretty good considering he was cut by the Breakers half way into his first season. Not often imports can be cut after a handful of games and actually make a career in the NBL after.

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