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koberulz

Years ago

Is "Monkey" Racist?

And on the actual topic, yes, it's racist if you are aware of the history of the insult.

It's racist whether the speaker is aware of it or not.

If they're not, then they as a person aren't necessarily racist, but that doesn't make the statement itself any different. Intent is not magic.

The whole argument of "systemic" discrimination tends to come from a narrow view of world history that ignores anything that doesn't fit the black/white narrative.

If we were talking about people in Africa, that might be relevant, but we aren't.

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koberulz

Years ago

That's not my definition of the term "systemic abuse", and maybe that's not what you meant when you used it. But that's what I meant when I replied.

And you accuse me of cherry-picking?

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koberulz

Years ago

As for their not being a history of systemic abuse of soft people. What school(s) did you go to? Bullying is a form of abuse is it not?

"Soft people" isn't even a class that exists, FFS, how can they be victims of systemic abuse?

Also: schoolyard bullying is not systemic abuse. Slavery is systemic abuse. Genocide is systemic abuse.

Grow up.

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koberulz

Years ago

I'm white. Not going to pretend I'm not.

Shocker.

Why is it seemingly okay to call someone an F'ing soft C, or I say that you're a SOB (implying you and your mother are dogs). But you call someone a monkey, or imply their sexual tendencies don't match your own, or that their gender contributes to their recent show of incompetence etc that's suddenly crossing some line.

Because there isn't a history of systemic abuse of soft people or people descended from dogs.

It's not hard.

Sorry but as a white person calling someone a monkey isn't racist to me.

As a white person you get absolutely no say whatsoever in what is racist to others.

The assumptions in this thread are everyone should know it is due to history but the slave trade didn't involve every white nation, you know.

But you do know, now, and you're still insisting there's no problem with it.

Ignorance is fine. Deciding that because you weren't aware of something it doesn't matter isn't.

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Train

Years ago

Interesting read.....I don't exactly live under a rock but the first I had ever heard of it was when the whole Adam Goodes sage unravelled. But then again theres probably those out there that didn't know that the word gay was originally another word for happy and fags were a type of candy shaped like cigarettes lol

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Train

Years ago

But why is the term monkey considered racist now? It never used to be.
When did it change? Is it because monkey's have dark skin underneath their hair?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic...its a serious question. Why the hell is it deemed racist?

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koberulz

Years ago

I'm glad we've got so many white people in this thread to tell black people what is and isn't offensive to them.

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Train

Years ago

That's my reaction when I hear that calling people a monkey is now racist. I don't see it as racist what so ever...well i never use to anyway. Mind you I would think twice about using that word in public now that it has been tagged.

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Train

Years ago

If I call a whole team a bunch of monkeys and only half the team are white....am I only being racist to the other half?

This PC thing has got way out of control. When did calling someone a monkey or an ape even become a racist comment anyway. If i see a guy thats slow and kinda has a dopey face and I call him a sloth....is that racist if he happens to be black.

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Luuuc

Years ago

I don't see why telling someone you think they're bad at their job is politically incorrect.

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Anonymous

Years ago

Good move contacting the Wildcats but did you text the number that they show on the screen and mention on game night regarding offensive behaviour. Security could of moved in then and removed the idiot.
The number is on the screen regularly, this was mentioned by people the last time you brought this subject up, text the number on the night.

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koberulz

Years ago

If a white player swung on the hoop and was called a monkey, that wouldn't be racist.
Calling Prather a Monkey when he did it was at the very least insensitive.

My favourite moment from the 1995 grand final is Peter Ensel almost falling into that trap, but realising it at the last second and sounding like an idiot instead.

"And James Crawford, swinging from the rim like a...uh, one of those animals that swings from the branches."

Can't beat live TV.

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Years ago

Context is everything. But even something that is not intended to be racist can be racially offensive to the person receiving it.

In the context here, it is at best a culturally insensitive and unthinking slur from a person ignorant of the deep historical and offensive implications of the word.

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proud

Years ago

Damien Monkhorst is a monkey too

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Luuuc

Years ago

I used to play Under 12's cricket at Karoonda (actually more of an amalgamation of Booragoon and Brentwood).
I guess Monkey was more into winter sports. Don't remember seeing him.

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Our Game

Years ago

"My folks called me a white topped gibbon when I was a kid (blonde locks and liked climbing trees). Were they racist - obviously not. Context is everything."

Say for example your grandparents were slaughtered with a licence legally obtained by people that considered them less than human, as did the government of the time (happened prolifically in this country 60years ago) I think your parents mite be less likely to think calling you a monkey is endeering.

Yes, in certain contexts 'monkey' extremely racist & reminiscent of hideous actions.

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Luuuc

Years ago

Hard to tell what's trolling and what's just ignorance in here :-/

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Our Game

Years ago

Some Terrible sadning ignorance in this thread, not even worth trying to explain why dehumanizing remarks derived from beliefs that inspired genoside are inappropriate in any context.

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Jack Toft

Years ago

Everything can be construed as racist if it is delivered in a hurtful manner.

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