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What is Liz Cambage's problem??

Liz Cambage interview from WWOS

https://www.9now.com.au/wide-world-of-sports/2016/clip-cilg46nmd00020ete10sbeu2k

Well articulated by her, IMO.

'This might be politically incorrect of me to point out, but, notice how it's never white people resorting to playing the race card?
hmmmm....
#whingersthelotofthem #hardenup'

Idiotic

This might be politically incorrect of me to point out, but, notice how it's never white people resorting to playing the race card?
hmmmm....
#whingersthelotofthem #hardenup

Yes that's right the taunts he experienced from under 10s right through his afl career were all because people diddnt like him. Actually now that's its been mentioned, I'm glad his australian of the year award pissed those same people off so much.

"After the Goodes reference I'm thinking Cambage may be angling for an Australian of the Year"

Really sadning ignorance, not much recognition so far that Liz showed courage in speaking out against ths ignorance, ffs Goodes nearly quitt after the backlash from his stand against taunts that plagued his entire career, Liz has likely had the same & had enough. Well done Liz, don't put up with it so kids like mine won't have to endure such stupidity.

#AuthenticityInCostuming

It seems to me that it's the people who are now "defending" Alice Kunek who are making this worse. IMO we should give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't fully understand the significance of what she did (as surprising as that may be...).

Instead, there are stupid arguments being had about whether it's OK or not - a discussion which AK has had no part in. It's pretty embarrassing as an Australian when stuff like this happens, but it's worse when the ridiculous debate follows about whether we think things like this should be considered offensive or not.

That was NOT bravery, a simple phone call or text to AK would have been enough, if you knew AK you would know their was never anything remotely done to deliberately make fun of anyone. And LC knows this too, this was purely her way of making a dam fuss so that if BA don't take her she's got another inch for leverage,
The opals group are already annoyed at LC for her behaviour over the whole rock concert and this was here way of making sure she gets some one up a ship on them.

All she had to do was say, hey mate I'm a bit offended by that do you think you could take it down ..... And AK would have apologised and removed it ..... End of story
But no Big Lizzie has to plaster it all over social media

Look at it fir what it is not what it's being portrayed as

I still think it's racist, as do many others. At best it's insensitive and ignorant - but how is that any better? It's offensive regardless.

Are you that guy at the Reclaim Australia rallies that proudly declares 'Islam isn't a race so i'm not racist, i'm just a bigot'?

“Well if her teammate whose father is Nigerian thinks it’s racist, then it is racist,” Clarke replied. “Let the people of colour define what’s racist. Let them define what’s offensive to them. If it offended her, then so be it.”


http://junkee.com/buzzfeeds-allan-clarke-perfectly-shut-down-steve-price-on-the-project-over-blackface/73859

yes... argument destroyed... blackface is ok because someone said it's not racist....I surrender, black face away anon.

http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2016/02/02/nation-somehow-still-needs-be-told-blackface-racist

"It's not about fair or unfair, liberties, rights, or freedoms, or even political correctness. It's about embracing our differences and respecting boundaries that cause or conjure up hurt in a race of people. "

Bingo.

Anon #580072, you inspire me.

“What dooms our best efforts to cultivate empathy and compassion is always, of course, other people.”
― Tim Kreider, We Learn Nothing

Supernintendo Chalmers haha is it wrong that i'm slightly aroused by the thought?

There are differing views with everything Paul, just because a handful of people think the world is flat doesn't make the world flat....

Clearly there are different views, i just choose to follow the educated view and I can live with that.

I find it interesting that we're getting so heated about blackface, yet most will happily enjoy rap music which really puts down women.

Ironic that Kunek wanted to be like her idol Kanye, whose videos and lyrics can be pretty brutal.

I'm saying that 1 or 2 exceptions don't make the rule......

I don't right the rules on what offends people, I just listen to what the majority of affected people are saying. There was a time where i didn't find blackface offensive at all, but then i was educated as to why it was and the historical context of it...

Paul, well as long as Samo is happy i guess the problem doesn't exist..... *sigh*

hard to education though Issac when people don't understand that there is a problem....

Paul, my blanket viewpoint is shared by a majority of people who have a fair higher melanin count than me........

It doesn't matter what is meant by the wearer of the blackface, it's what blackface symbolises. As an example I'd encourage you to run down the street screaming out 'N****!', some people won't care, some will just ignore it, but the ones that do find it offensive will not give a shit that you were just singing a Lil' John lyric out loud......

Totally agree Issac. Someone can do something/say something that is 'racist' and not be a racist/meant it to be offensive. Obviously Kunek didn't mean it, she's a good human from all reports.
For me the problem is more to do with the people doubling down and defending it.
Could Cambridge have handled it on the downlow? Probably. But i can understand why she'd want to drag it into the light of day, especially given how visible the issue has been. Was she motivated by the fact there was bad blood between them? I dunno. At the end of the day though that fact doesn't alter the initial action.

The 'Cultural appropriation' issue annoys me as well. I think it's about context and appropriateness. I think there is a valid argument to be made about the appropriateness of certain activities, e.g. mascots wearing ceremonial headgear, teams being named Redskins etc etc.
I dislike Iggy, but the flack she has gotten from the 'cultural appropriation' brigade is ridiculous. The fact is, if you live in a multicultural society each culture appropriates things from each other, be it music, language, food, dress etc. It blurs the artificial lines that we build around our cultural niches and unites us - eventually. Claiming someone has 'appropriated your music' is rubbish. Music by its very nature has been appropriated since cavemen realised they could bang a bongo.

Paul, oh i think it is that simple. Don't do blackflace, it's racist. It's that simple.

...... sweet baby fucking jesus.... we've hit peak stupidity....

hahaha i'm typing one handed while I apply my whiteface...... sorry...

Paul, they've missed the point because they skill can't see why it's racist. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, it just so happens theirs is racist.... and had they bothered to read the other posts in the thread, they're argument has been brutally repudiated already.

That's pretty much what I'm saying, yes.

That was > 6 months ago now.
So I'm wondering what outcome she is hoping to achieve by still (apparently) pursuing this issue with BA. She's not going to be reinstated to the team that competed 6 months ago. Brendan Joyce already said quite clearly that what happened with her back then will have no bearing on her selection chances for Rio. So what is her end game?

what's got 2 thumbs and still misses the point after 80+ posts = anon #579900...............

At the end of the latest Age article:

"Moore also revealed that BA was attempting to resolve issues Cambage has with the sport's national governing body over her axing from the squad last year"


Hard to believe she still hasn't let that one go.

hahaha pay that.

I dunno ... take away the black face from that outfit and I would have assumed she was trying to be Bieber

My view:
If somebody wants to dress up as their favourite artist, good luck to them.
What is telling is that she thought the major component of this was painting her skin dark.
Here's the thing, you should be able to "dress up" as your favourite black person, without changing skin-tone. ie racial features should be irrelevant.

using movies to justify reality..... come on...... Soul Man and Tropic Thunder used it as a very specific plot devise to highlight specific issues, they weren't a commentary on how black face should be normalised.... and you'll remember that even back in 1986 Soul Man got a fair share of criticism about it...

Has anyone quoting White Chicks actually seen the movie?? I mean it's horrible, but the 'white face' is a parody of all the black face movies etc..

Now if you'll excuse me i'm going to go throw a fat german kid in a chocolate river... and have him fished out by midgets.... because Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.....

"black face IS an australian issue.... once again ignorance reigns supreme....

Even if there was such a divide between American racial issues and Australian, why dont you go for a run down the street shouting out n***** at the top of your lungs? I mean it's an american word.... it shouldn't offend anyone.....


p.s. not being a dickhead isn't being PC, it's just not being a dickhead."

Fabulous! That's almost a Hitchslap!

anon #579696 you miss the point at an olympic quality level...

black face IS an australian issue.... once again ignorance reigns supreme....

Even if there was such a divide between American racial issues and Australian, why dont you go for a run down the street shouting out n***** at the top of your lungs? I mean it's an american word.... it shouldn't offend anyone.....


p.s. not being a dickhead isn't being PC, it's just not being a dickhead.

black face IS an australian issue.... once again ignorance reigns supreme....

sweet baby Jesus Christ, put all your logical fallacies in the bin.

Blackface is offensive whether you think it is or not, whether you like the cinematic masterpiece that is White Chicks or not, whether you find costumes inaccurate because they fail to convey the correct skin tone.....

It doesn't matter how many straw man you build, how many false equivalencies you illustrate, or how much ignorance you pleed.

BLACKFACE IS OFFENSIVE. It's well established that people find it offensive.

For fucks sake, how many Harry Connick Jnr's need to abuse a Daryl Summers before it begins to sink thru???

You don't have to like Cambridge to realise Kunek is in the wrong. You don't have to hate Kunek to realise she was wrong. You can still like someone and see that what they did was wrong. This action doesn't make Kunek a bad person, but the fact she's a good person doesn't make the action any less offensive to people who find black face INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE. Humans are fallible, we shouldn't execute Kunek she obviously just needs to be educated, and we sure as fuck shouldn't be executing Cambridge for calling it out!

And you know what, if costume party accuracy means that much and you MUST blackface it up; than FOR THE LOVE OF THOR'S MIGHTY TESTICLES DON'T PUT PICTURES OF IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

Seriously this is an over reaction. The young girl in question was attending a fancy dress party, and wanted to go as her favorite celebrity, nothing more to this than that.It was no political statement, or racist in any terms.

Bigger concern is that she likes Kayne West, that should be considered more offensive.

And on tonight's episode of "When Nutella Facials Go Wrong".

"How about you all go live in thecUDA , yes the African descendants were treated terribly fir far too long, but believe me the reverse racism is certainly being followed in modern times."

Yep, your done.

How about you all go live in thecUDA , yes the African descendants were treated terribly fir far too long, but believe me the reverse racism is certainly being followed in modern times.

Cambage seems to forget her mother is white, she has a foot in both camps, and as for kunek, it was a fancy dress costume for goodness sake, it was not a picture of Cambage , this is Taki g PC too far, if you want to you could find offe se in every dam fancy dress costume.

Perhaps one of the best videos for "reverse racism". This came out late 80's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUMpPgMGCe8

I struggle with all this and it's not because I'm not intelligent or dumb, I've just never been educated about the terms " black facing " or the origins of the term "monkey". If I was to ever paint my face black/brown it certainly would not have any disrespect attached to it and I certainly don't have a racist bone in my body. I doubt Kunek meant any disrespect by her costume and Cambridge should of dealt with this outside the public.

Between Alice Kunek and Rob Thomas it's been an interesting day for race relations in Melbourne.

white people really should be the arbiters of what is/isn't racist........ *sigh* given the history of black facing and how offensive people find it, can we just agree that black facing is something that poor, hard done by white people can just go without? I mean i know there is a lack of white people for us to dress up as, but we'll just have to push on thru.

The fact that people black facing has been called out OVER and OVER again, but yet high profile people still keep doing it..... well that's just fucking dumb. 1 incident of someone doing something 'racist' doesn't make someone a racist, it does brings into question a person's intelligence...

I mean HOW MANY GOD DAMN TIMES does this have to happen till people learn.

And you know what, if you want to dress up like Kanye all you need is a giant pulsating penis suit.

The world needs to lighten up.

This racism thing does my head in. So just so I can get this down; if I want to go to a costume party dressed as 2pac or Samuel L Jackson(Mace Windu in Star Wars), I shouldn't paint my face black/brown to look like them ?

"However, what that has to do in an Australian context to an Indigenous/Torres Strait woman, I am really unsure."

http://m.theage.com.au/sport/basketball/opals-forward-alice-kunek-apologises-after-angering-liz-cambage-with-blackface-post-20160221-gmzlg5.html

"Cambage, whose father is Nigerian,"

The only thing I will say on this subject is that Cambage should never have gone to social media to voice her frustration. All this does is potentially drive a bigger wedge between her and members of the Opals team.