Hoops

So what really happened to the Crocs?

Well if you got a multi-year commitment from the CBA and a Chinese network it would be more sustainable than almost any other part of the NBL, which simply isn't sustainable in its current form.

As I said though, it’s getting that correct set-up done that’s the hard part, but if 30 mill watched the recent series that wouldn’t have hurt those chances at all. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Sustainability?

They've already been in discussions with TV networks who are interested, and once it's on TV there the sponsorship opportunities are far greater than anything available to basketball here.

I have no doubt there will be serious revenue available if they get it done, it's getting it done to the satisfaction of the CBA and FIBA, then putting together a competitive team with enough Chinese contributors that is the hard part. Get that right and travel expenses will be a drop in the ocean.

It is the added travel expenses and logistics that concerns me, primarily!

Yes, it's as Paul outlined. A team with a few Chinese players, some imports and Australians. Big budget proposed from the Chinese side. Then it gives the viewers in China an interest in our league.

The motivation for someone to spend up on a team in our league is less clear.

Then after you're on TV in China, you have to find another set of sponsors unless your existing ones will gain much from that exposure.

There is no doubt that basketball has a huge following in China (I remember when I was there 10 years ago most factories has a court in their grounds for staff to play in breaks) but I think that the plan to have a Chinese team playing in the NBL will attract a big $ TV deal is highly suspect.

So, very speculative, no worries kind of what I suspected (was concerned about)...

It's not about them having an interest in the NBL, it's them having an interest in a Chinese team playing in the NBL.

There is a huge appetite for watching Chinese basketball, as shown by the ratings from the recent series.

It's a big if at this point, but if the NBL can successfully get a Chinese team playing, with some Chinese players in their main rotation, they should be able to reap some broadcast and sponsorship rewards from that.

Yeah, right, anyway I thought I'd have a scout and came up with an interesting article about the popularity of hoops in China here for anyone interested:

http://www.yoyochinese.com/blog/learn-mandarin-chinese-china-sport-culture-basketball-popularity-in-china

I think they are still at the "collect underpants" stage of planning Bear.

How will the 'China Market' work financially for the NBL Paul, do you have any clue, because it worries the hell out of me?

What possible interest do they have in our game here, especially when the NBA is so accessible?

That’s why they’re pushing hard for a team in China that brings broadcast dollars. There just aren’t enough viewers in Australia at this point to generate a decent TV deal.

Agree. Year 2 of the 3 year plan. As the investor risking the money, Kestleman must be looking for the league to move a long way towards becoming viable in its own right, this coming season.

I'll write a book one day.

Must say I enjoyed being able to watch the NBL on Foxtel this past season, however I also have lots of respect for SEABL, which is the basketball league I think could be expanded on further in this country...

Yes 10? Vic teams in the AFL is another joke. Is Kestleman running that league too?

^ This is one of the reasons why I began to, and now have completely lost interest in the NBL. When I first got into the league, it was the only national league and it still would be today. WA, SA, TAS, VIC, ACT, NSW, and QLD. I was pissed when HOB, GEEL and GC got kicked out, but I understood the decision at the time, hoping they'd eventually be back. Then NEW and CAN were gone and I saw the capital city future.

This is just me, but I have zero interest in a BRIS, SYD, SYD, MELB, MELB, PER league. I loathe small leagues, too many repeat games. If that's the way it's going, and what "the people" want, then they can have it. I couldn't think of anything more dull personally. I don't care if it's what the TV stations want, I won't be watching.

If "Capital City league" eventually means 4 teams in SYD, 5 in MELB etc, then I'd still be uninterested. We have the AFL and the laughable NRL for this "national league" model.

The NBL moved to major teams back in the last century when they got rid of Geelong, Hobart and the Gold Coast. rest assured it f the NBL survives in the distant future, it will be a capital city NBL only. Possibly less Adelaide as well.

The regional team, must have local community support statement is crucial in regards to what ultimately caused the Croc's demise IMHO also.

Quite a few points made already on this thread, justifiably they would all have had their play on this ending, however, given the circumstance that the crowd and local support had stayed at a high level, no way the Croc's fold...

That is regardless of the ultimate plan, which appears to lead the NBL towards major city teams in the future.

Side note, any investments into the Asian market right now is too early and could be a huge disaster in my view!!!

Small town - uphill battle to sign free agents, quality sponsors and broadscaters don't look favourably towards regional teams.

What do small towns have going for them? Good fan engagement, strong community spirit and are generally well liked and well known in their town. See Cairns as the perfect example.

Unfortunately not enough people in Townsville cared anymore, and their community appeal ended. So, little benefit for the league or the Crocs to keep going. If they were in West Sydney (for example) with the current support base, they would at least have a big market to work with to get better.

Regional teams only work if they get local support to justify them being there. Without that, no point.

"IMO, the NBL is currently a house of cards"

Agree. Year 2 of the 3 year plan. As the investor risking the money, Kestleman must be looking for the league to move a long way towards becoming viable in its own right, this coming season.

The dice are rolling.

Hearsay coming up:
1. The writing appeared on the wall when they dropped Conklin. I believe that was 99% due to not having enough money for his full contract and the league not wanting to help out.

2. The fan base was decimated over the last few years. I believe this started with the decision to not support local lad Kelvin Robertson back from injury. I would say he would have ended up being fringe boomers if he continued his form. Side note - I played with him in the Townsville rep teams as a junior - wayyyy above the rest and a nice guy to boot. A lot of the fans switched to the Townsville Fire - and now look how they are going!

3. This is just a personal bugbear, but caving in to the Phoenix suns having a whinge over our logo/name and changing to the crocs really pissed a lot of foundation supporters off.

4. There is plenty of money in Townsville to fund an NBL team. No one is interested anymore.I heard they only needed 500k to underwrite the team for next season... that's pocket change and the inability to raise that must reflect very poorly on the board.

5. The NBL just couldn't stomach having 3 teams in QLD and 1 in VIC, so why keep funding the Crocs would have been the logic. They'd probably rather spend that money on a TAS or overseas team.

All very sad. I was a season ticket holder when they were the Suns and also lost interest after a couple of seasons after the became the crocs... just didn't seem to be the local team anymore.

my 2c.

The new rules for next season are a joke. PLus the Chinese expansin in 2 years is even more laughable. Who knows whether Kestleman will even be involved by then. Maybe he he recommitted to another 2 years now, might show some solidity finally.
The reality is he is committed to one more season after this one.

Crocs fans of recent years simply didn't turn up. The TEC earlier on agreed drop their fees when they 1st were on the brink and never did, hence the move to a tin shed and no crowd.

Foxtel wanted a team in Brisbane so the NBL made sure they got one

Sentimentality aside, nobody really cared about having team in Townsville except for those they employed and a handful of fans who actually attended games.

Probably many of the above. They were being propped up, the league would rather prop up a team in Brisbane, etc. They could have fared better in a 3-import league perhaps but still not ideal.

IMO, the NBL is currently a house of cards.

Can someone explain why we have a team from NZ in the NBL? I can understand that the Kiwi basketball gets a massive benefit from it, with plenty of NZ players getting a run in the comp, but what exactly does it do for Aussie basketball other than deny spots to Australian kids?