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10 games to look forward to this season.

Because the whole suggestion is based upon the fact that Stewart played 6 seasons and Lisch played 4.

KR quit the semantics. Even raising that as a possibility is ridiculous. Floating the idea as an "almost" is absurd.

Saying that Stewart could have even a chance of getting in ahead of Lisch makes as much sense as saying Hoare could get into a Tigers team ahead of Anstey or Corletto could get in ahead of Dave Thomas.

Longevity doesn't count for anything these days. Money talks and players walk... Sadly the one club players are nearly a thing of the past. If I was picking teams it's be based on dominance individually and titles won etc it's nice when guys hang around but longevity doesn't mean much in that discussion.

Hoops.com.au Threads to look forward to this season-
* All the Wildcats game threads
* 100+ other threads that somehow end up becoming Wildcats threads

^That should be 'argument for Stewart over Lisch'.

How clear do I have to make it that the argument for Lisch over Stewart is one of longevity, not talent, abilities or achievements? And if we look back at what I actually said to start this tangent:

Not really sure about Lisch either, TBH. At the time he was still active and showed no sign of leaving, so it seemed a good pick, but he doesn't really have the longevity to fit in with that roster anymore. You could almost have Stewart in that spot.

My above posts were pure tongue in cheek.

Stewart was a better player than Nate Tomlinson.

But it's not as ridiculous a proposition as suggesting that Anthony Stewart make the anniversary team ahead of Kevin Lisch, who led him team to the title with a grand final MVP, won an NBL MVP and first team gig. And won the Wildcats season MVP 3 times in his 4 years with Perth.

You know what else is tiresome? Attacking koberulz for explaining how he arrives at his opinions. You don't have too agree with him but he is attempting to explain himself, which is much better than "hahaha you just copy and pasted something OMG this is boring."

Do the Beal lovers only remember his good games.

Gets lucky every now and then and particularly lucky that it happened in a GF series.

He is a legend in fantasy ball of course. Piss poor performances are now referred to as Bealin'

Chucker.

Yes, you do.

Yes, you do. Notice not many others have to 'defend' themselves as much you. You just need to relax on the literal stuff it's a forum for some fun and intellectual chit chat about basketball that most of us can't have with our wives. You don't need to turn it into an antagonistic thing every time. People in general don't like having their words picked on for no real reason. Look at the one common denominator...

Perth won the championship last year.

Cairns beat Perth tonight.

NBL maths;

I don't want to go with the early crow although the championship will be heading north this season.

KR brings it on himself, he disagrees with everything anyone says

KR brings it on himself, he disagrees with everything anyone says and won't stop till the the rest have lost interest. Every single thread he gets involved in he ruins his clear knowledge and long memory of NBL stuff with arrogant denouncing of every single point. It is tiresome.

10 games? How about everygame!

Stewie vs Beal is an argument of longevity vs quality and those tend to have a grey area of personal preference.

I'll back Stewie in as a better player than Nate though, even though he wasn't the type to lead the league in things (he did finish top 5 in the league in 3P% a couple of times). A more complete player IMO.
(Give me Harvey over Stewie though. Peter Crawford too)

It's not indisputable to say that Stewart was a better player though.

It's not indisputable because I'm disputing it!

Yes, Stewart was most certainly better than Tomlinson.

Was Anthony Stewart a better basketball player than Nate Tomlinson?

Tomlinson led the league in assists one year. That's arguably a greater individual accomplishment than anything Stewart did.

he's backed himself up with facts.

What's with the KR bashing, everyone? Back off. This is not a site for having a go at a fellow basketball enthusiast, it's a site for basketball enthusiasts to have interesting discussions.

Nothing KR has said is ridiculous, and many of the posts decrying what he's said either are ridiculous, or don't carry much weight. Have a dispassionate read through the posts on this thread and you would have to agree with me, I think. There are reasons behind everything he's said, and he's backed himself up with facts.

All you Anons who want to post rubbish about other people, at least have the guts to define yourself by getting a name on this forum, please.

Can't you see that perception matters here, KR?

Ie: No one will be saying in 10 years time that they aren't sure or can't quite remember whether Lisch or Beal were starters or not...

That's exactly the point LV, he is so crazy with literal power. It's not up for discussion with them but with stewie you'd need to google etc unless you're a die hard cats fan.

Kobe you're such a literalist lol

Can't you see that perception matters here, KR?

Ie: No one will be saying in 10 years time that they aren't sure or can't quite remember whether Lisch or Beal were starters or not...

How can one poster be so offended at someone's opinion of Anthony Stewart not being a massively positive one. Shelden shelden shelden...

A role player can start some games and also be a starter in some and the outside world will see him potentially as a guy who started the majority of his career or was a bench player.

I never remembered Stewart as being a key starter always thought he was a bench guy who filled in gaps.

You calling anyone on this forum rediculous is well a 'laughed out of the room' statement. Look at how deep into this thread you have gone to debate a cats anniversary team and that scrub Anthony Stewart. All over definitions and minute descriptions. A role player can start some games and also be a starter in some and the outside world will see him potentially as a guy who started the majority of his career or was a bench player. I never remembered Stewart as being a key starter always thought he was a bench guy who filled in gaps. But you clearly 'need this' so the debate cookies go to you. If only you had a single soul who could bare being in the same room as you long enough, you too could be laughed out of it. Enjoy, you win, you always do.

Ps you've offended Dewey now

I dont care how many seasons he was there, or if he started some games etc he was a role player, a minor role player.

Didnt Dewey Michaels play mutlipe seasons and win a title too.

I dont care how many seasons he was there, or if he started some games etc he was a role player, a minor role player. I dont care for Perth, but to put him in over Lisch would be the complete undoing of you based on he should be there because he hung around. Didnt Dewey Michaels play mutlipe seasons and win a title too... your points as to why he should be included are weak.

Sorry, that should be started four and a half of his six seasons.

A mere bench player who started four and a half of his five seasons, including the championship team in 2000.

He played almost as many seasons for Perth as Lisch and Beal combined, which is why I'd have him in the discussion in terms of an anniversary team. In terms of overall talent Lisch wins that contest hands down.

I quit reading anything with orange attached, but surely he didnt say that? Stewart was a mere bench player who could make the odd big 3, Lisch and Beal, were legit game changing stars who also won rings. Stweart had one hell of a big head though, literally!

Go easy and maybe reduce to one session a day to start with...

Anthony Stewart ahead of Lisch and Beal?

KR, it's time to quit smoking that heavy stuff!

Lastwordrulzzzzzz.

As for the actual topic, id like to see some old school hype around the now competitve Kings and United. The NBL needs that Victoria NSW hype and grunt about it. Star studded game that will be, whenever it the first one is.

Crawford/Rogers
Fisher/Pinder
Vlahov/Redhage
Ellis/Lisch
Grace/Martin

Not really sure about Lisch either, TBH. At the time he was still active and showed no sign of leaving, so it seemed a good pick, but he doesn't really have the longevity to fit in with that roster anymore. You could almost have Stewart in that spot.

I'm with Beal ahead of Stewart, but if you redid the 30 year team Martin should make it ahead of both of them,whichever way you had to massage the positioning to make it work.

Best advice is to ignore KR.

The only thing in Stewie's favour is longevity. Beal clearly the better player and more influential in winning titles.

Koberulz with the 'wasn't he?' Can bet my house he googled the shit out of that team before playing vague in response haha

Thanks shelden you ruined another thread because of your arrogance to always have the last word. You could be such a great inclusive informative forum user but instead you have become spam to many who use this. But as long as your the man in your own world. Go start your own forum somewhere else and leave us lesser folk to discuss things.

Just gonna leave this here: http://www.davemanuel.com/investor-dictionary/recency-bias/

Wasn't he? I swear I remember some debate about it; must have been people arguing for him to take one of those two spots.

In any event, the other points still stand.

KR, I'm disputing your ability to have a conversation without resorting to meaningless mass debating.

Therefore, it is not indisputable that you are capable of having a reasonable conversation.

Stewart wasn't in the 30th anniversary team.

It was

Crawford/Rogers
Fisher/Pinder
Vlahov/Redhage
Lisch/Harvey
Grace/Ellis

If that team were named today, Beal would take Harvey's spot.

It is indisputable that Beal was ahead of Knight in 2014 and ahead of Martin in 2016 terms of being a top player for the Wildcats.

It's also indisputable that Beal has a greater place in Wildcats history and folklore than Anthony Stewart!

I mean, Stewart was just a role player

Beal was huge in 2014 grand final, and was huge in the 2016 season when he was called upon to shoulder the load as Martin was out injured. Hence Beal played pretty much every minute he could possibly handle. Cats fans should be kissing the feet of Beal really for his role on two championship teams, where as Stewart was a relatively minor player

And regarding the folklore/significant distinction: if we go with significance Dunigan, Watterson, Torrance and possibly Harvey come out. Tucker, Feaster, and Hansen go in. Again, just off the top of my head.

Lichti should probably go on the folklore list as well, if not both.

It is indisputable that Beal was ahead of Knight in 2014 and ahead of Martin in 2016 terms of being a top player for the Wildcats.

It's also indisputable that Beal has a greater place in Wildcats history and folklore than Anthony Stewart!

The fact that you even argue those particular points says that you're more interested in mass debating than anything else. Take a step back and chill. No surprise why so many around here think you're a dick

Had some good young talent and the crazy finish over Adelaide was classic for sure, along with beating Perth, a couple of rare bright spots for fans that actually did attend games to enjoy.

KR, to get to the point where you're rebutting the terminology of 'signicant figures' and 'folklore' you really need to stop. Everyone knew exactly what the post was referring too.