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Breakers v Sixers 29/10

Because when Creek and Ferguson return, it won't make much difference to where're they finish. Picked to be bottom half of the ladder from the get go, for some fans that's not good enough expectation to have. For some i guess that's fantastic. Imagine if this supposed financially crippled club spent that $110k on drimic on an upgrade on a more potent import big or a genuine shooting guard to help spread the floor and give randle something to kick it too after blowing by the defence. People are so cool with status quo.

The 36ers are 3-3. It's better than I expected them to be doing.

Minus Creek and Ferguson, they got pumelled in NZ. Not sure why that would surprise anybody?

Im so frustrated there are so many fans who have such low standards for success. if you are enjoying the ride so far at 3-3, then shame on you. As a fan who dictates success based on the trophy cabinet, simply being in the league and making up the numbers by no means is good enough. Glad some are enjoying the mediocrity though.

Yeah I'm not sick of the Sixers at all - they're performing how I thought they would. They'll beat some teams this year for sure, but also suffer some losses like yesterday. Maybe sneak into the top four if things go their way, but more probably just miss the playoffs.

Sixers fans certainly do know hyperbole, especially after a loss. A lot of the fans had Randle was on a plane after game 1 iirc.

^what paul said

I'm enjoying the ride with 36ers this year. It's about expectations. I don't expect them to win the championship but I think they're an bit of a chance (maybe 3/1) to sneak into the playoffs (in 4th). I expect them to get beaten soundly a few times but I expect them to win a few games. So when they win it's great and when they've lost, it's no more than I expected and those games have still been exciting to watch.

36ers teams have not defended the outside shot well for 14 years. Changing coaches hasn't changed that. Again - if you followed the 36ers for more than 2 years, you expect that.

Watching 36ers the last few years has reminded me of Newcastle and 36ers teams under Dave Claxton. Lots of exciting offence but ineffective defence. Those teams won regularly and made playoffs, but never looked like delivering a championship. Think the Falcons' 1986 loss to 36ers in the semi final (151-103) at Apollo.

So I'm enjoying watching players like Randle, Ferguson and Jacobsen. Creek was playing well before his injury. Johnson is a disappointment so far, Sobey has been a good surprise. Then the talent drops away.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing how much Ferguson will have improved by the end of the season. I think he shows a lot of potential and is already improving. His absence affected the 36ers significantly against NZ. We were minus an effective scoring option in offence and his height and reach in defence. Not the difference between winning and losing but a closer result.

Lawsy, Sobey's 32,8 and 5 are a real problem....hahaha. Stick to watching mixed netball

Haha Lawsy. What a flog

Adelaide fans imploding. Fantastic. Joey has never been able to coach. He has been in charge of extremely talented team in the past that anyone could get to the Finals.
Adelaide were broke and I don't think their is a minimum spend on the cap. Either way having 10 of your 11 players with a negative +/- will never will anyone a game. Enjoy the cellar.

Lawsy is insufferable.

^^^^ exactly. Some well overpaid rookies.

Paul, people are fed up. That's why. Right or wrong, that's why it's happening now more regularly. The club isn't poor, they aren't broke, they simply haven't spent their money wisely. And the fans suffer, too much money being spent on the wrong guys. And the whole inexperienced debate, well shit no one held a gun to their head and said get a rookie team, need vets. All playoff teams do.

"He took the team he inherited to a GF, and got beaten"

The team he inherited had been the worst in the NBL for the previous three seasons.

The general consensus pre-season was Adelaide would be up and down due to being inexperienced, there would be some great wins and some big losses.

Yesterday they were missing Creek and Ferguson and got thrashed on the road by a very experienced and talented team. No surprise there, nor in this thread.

The thread I enjoyed was Brisbane v Adelaide, where an all-time win turned into a bitch-fest about the 36ers.

I have great admiration for that, usually there's just silence around here after a great 36ers win, but that effort was taking finding the negatives to a new level!

Its not about them losing. Its about how they lost and the points margin. 36ers have a couple games this season by more than 25pts which joey wouldn't be happy with.

Allowing 119pts in a 40 minute game even without creek and ferguson isn't good and need to be address quickly if they want make the nbl finals.

Here we go, lose and everyone jumps off the bandwagon. Then next time we win its all how good we are. Fair weather 6ers fans, everyones an expert. Missing Creek and Ferguson and they complain how short of talent we are, Drmic may be struggling but give him a break, 1st pro stop but give him a full season before writing him off. These so called fans who one week cheer when we signed him and when we're going well how good Joey is and Teys is that underrated defender, the next week write them off. Just remember the previous coach and the wooden spoons. This would have to be the strongest competition the league has fielded in a long time and the arm chair coaches think they know it all while they are sitting back munching on their cheezels and west end draught.

Budget lol... Randle would be $300k, Ferguson $150k.. You got half a mill tied up in imports.... Problem = sobey is ur starting guard, and u have a guy named teys on ur team.,

Lawsy, ofcourse they will win more games, they are a different beast at home, and other teams have off nights. Its just when they lose, they lose big, as they have no real backbone. Young teams are like teenagers, up and down all the time. When the 6ers play at their tempo all looks atleast decent, when they get taken out of whatever it is they are trying to convince people is tactics, it all goes to shite. And like a teenager, they huff and puff and storm off to there room, not really putting up much of a fight. But yeah they'll win some games, just not enough to be considered a good team.

I'll be honest, I can't see Adelaide winning another game. The League is just too deep n tough for a roster like Adelaide. Like seriously, would any of their starting 5, bar Randle make the starting 5 for any other team? I'm saying no. I'd say none of their roster would even make the kings roster...

To me, NZ are a better team than what they've shown so far this season. Today's result didn't surprise me at all.
The nature of the league this season (the depth of talent) means that good teams are going to lose games, and in any given game you don't have to be off by much to cost yourself a win. NZ have been slow to get going this season but they've got a pretty potent list.

Today's win inches them above the prized 102.14795% milestone on the standings. Don't take 'em lightly.

Adelaide ... well, both keyboard and regular experts suspected that they were in for a struggle this season. Between Randle, Sobey & Fergy Ferg they've at least got some guys who should pull the spectators through the door.

Im actually with Dazz on this one. Joey has been selling himself on people for so long they just assume its gotta be right. He is not that good of a coach. Adelaide stuck with him now, and his boys he seems to have follow him from club to club.

Hard hitting and informed commentary as always, Armchair Admiral Dazz.
It's pretty clear that this year's 36ers is a team assembled on a budget. There's only so much polishing a coach can do. An admiral like yourself should be able to see that even from the lofty heights of your bridge.

Honestly, why does the Sixers management constantly allow the team to have seasons upon seasons of really poor defence? And there has been a change of ownership at least twice now.

Its almost like they are satisfied with the team's ability to score and entertain.

People like to Perth shit for their ugly bump and grind Sub-80 points a game style, but look at their trophy cabinet. There has to be some truth to the old adage about offence winning games but defence winning championships.

What I want to know is why the management does not hold the team accountable or make changes?

Sick of teams scoring so much against us.

"They have to pay to the salary cap"

FWIW teams only have to spend 90% of the cap. So just under $1m.

drimic = chump and $100k+ equals why they will never acheive.
Joey has had money everywhere he's been until now.

Sixers will have to pull a huge rabbit out of their bag to get the 'W' here, not likely...

Its becoming well documented that Drimic is on $100k+, for a team that is crying poor, this is an absolutely shocking way to spend their money. Again, this was one of the major marketed signings everyone was so excited about. I feel for the kid, he is a deer in headlights out there, then again at $110k, I don't feel that bad for him.

They have to pay to the salary cap, so it's not exactly that they're paying nothing,even if Randle is on $300g, there's another 10 spots to find $800g on. Drmic is on $110 according to my Croatian mates.

Sorry, to be clear, disagree about the Joey stuff, he isn't all that good. He would've had say of who to bring in, and yes they are WAY too young inexperienced and headless chooks out there.

I disagree. They went too young, the defense is shocking. I was watching last week and said if Cairns could've made a few 3s we were toast, look what happened within a quarter this week? We let them line up from beyond the mark. Cairns were able to shoot a record from beyond the line most uncontested. That has to fall on the coach to a degree, if not, why have a coach to start with? No excuses, the team is poor from top to bottom, and is a true ghost of what it used to be. Sad times.

Adelaide has a team which is too young and not talented enough yet, save for Randle.

Not much joey can do about that, we don't have the money to compete and spending our money on older players probably would probably mean the older players aren't all that great anyway.

But 3-3 is pretty good considering, and probably due to decent coaching and a crazy talented Randle tbh

Im aware of that KET, the premise is that for years people preached about how he doesn't miss the playoffs as though he is some super coach. Not looking so rosey these days.

36ers didn't make the playoffs last season

I never thought the 36ers would be an All Star side either. They have smashed the marketing side of things, selling everyone on TF and all these young amazing studs, that have all been below par. Catching up with them now. Guess Joey and his 'never miss the playoffs' days are long gone. He may want to install some defensive principals or he wont be far off either.

were supposed to be an all star side

Drimic is earning his big coin, not DP level. Amazing how Adelaide are traveling, were supposed to be an all star side.

Nailed it on the head, the 36ers aren't ABOUT winning, as much as they are about cash flow status quo. As long bums are in seats that's all that matters. Winning, making the right moves in regards to winning etc, doesn't commute as it sometimes costs money. Problem is it costs money to make money at this level, and trophies. Get used to the mediocre people, nothing is going to change. The days of Cat, KB, Mee and Maher are DONE.

More of this will come the 36ers way. There defense is absolutely woeful.

Again, United and the Taipans show very very badly against them even though most were very very wide open.

Two performances in six games against us already this season have been absolutely embarrassing, the 119 here and the 122 against the Hawks.

Just unforgivable.

Delany hustles hard and has tons of athletism. Great attitude and takes advantage of every minute on the court. Very deserving of his roster spot.

Really unimpressed with DJ - he's gone super soft.

In the few games I've seen outta Delany, I've been really impressed! Love him!

Adelaide are renowned for getting other teams mojo on track. Ferguson hasn't been utilized all that much at all this season, so when Joey starts with the excuses going down that path, he may want to take a look in the mirror. NZ have been poor, but man did they get some open looks early. Before a Ferguson would've even been brought on.

Oh Jacobsen foulded out, DJ didn't turn up, surprises all around. 36ers showing their true colours. Drmic is a dud too, massive call I know but I went there.

And Kev White would make any team's rotation!

Mitchell seriously needs to work on his free throw technique... try underarm. Something!

Teys cops it but every team has a coach that falls in love with a guy even if no one else can see it, look at Gleeson with Greg Hire, Bevo with Kevin White or DD with Kyle Adnam.

Teys is so shit, I've played against him in social leagues here in Brisbane ..,

The breakers players movement off the ball on offense is very good.

Sixers playing NZ into some form.
Penney could probably hit a few blindfolded now.

Teys is a bum.

He wouldn't start on any other team. Must have photos of Joey.

Why does Joey love Teys so much?
Are there really no better options?

And wasn't Drmic supposed to be some great signing?
Looks to be DP quality.

LOL...i said last weekk....this 36ers D is beyng horrendous....they were just lucky the Taipans missed so many wide open 3s last week..