Hoops

AUSA Hoops v Centre of Excellence?

If you watch white at duke or sharp at wake forest, the coe ain't doing there job when it comes to ball handling.

What is your actual point^?

If you watch white at duke or sharp at wake forest, the coe ain't doing there job when it comes to ball handling.

Anyone know how much time they spend on ball handling?

#611462 - You have hit the nail on the head re cost of nationals and volunteers etc.

#611458 - This subsidized rate would be an issue if there is a line of kids coming back from AUSA Hoops trips unsatisfied, as far as I know, there isn't. The little experience I have had with them I have found them to be quite upfront and ethical.

Happy to change my opinion if the facts change but it seems to me like your jumping at shadows. A group is going out there doing a service Basketball Australia has been too anachronistic to do themselves, they should be applauded.

U18s = $4,000 per player.
10 players per team = $40,000 per team.
12 teams = $480,000
boys & girls. = $960,000

... for 7 days of basketball for the best players in the country? ... where the coaches are volunteers & are not paid?

Is that not unethical?

Seems like a matter of opinion on the ethic point... are they lying to the other kids and "promising them" a D1 scholarship when they have no choice? then that is ethically questionable.

Maybe basketball aus should spend some more time subsidizing their programs for underprivdeldged / sudanese kids like the ausa hoop seem to do.

The problem is charging a different rate for different players. Players that have no shot at all full price, while getting top talent in for sometimes nothing/less than full price, to help add to the legitimacy of what they do, isn't the most ethical way to do things.
Would the top talent guys go on their tours if they had to pay the full price that the others do?
Think drink cards to celebrities etc to a nightclub, while others pay a door fee and full price at the bar, but are 'seen' at the 'in' spot.

The actual idea of what they are doing is great and needed. Playing AAU if you are good enough, is a good way to get seen by coaches that may not get to see you in person otherwise.

I'm not sure what the problem is with AUSA Hoops.

They get kids onto the rader of college programs and in front of scouts. That's a service, which has a cost associated with it. Not sure why that's such a bad thing.

It's not like COE scholarships are free, they cost money too, except in this case the user isn't paying.

For years and years kids paid $2,500 to play state, and then found themselves funneled into state league programs. Why not pay a little bit more and get yourself in front of college scouts and try to get a scholarship.

Not sure what everyone's issue is.

@ Annon #985

Why would the NCAA have issues with this? And how would you know if the ncaa is investigating it?

Getting a player a US scholarship for a fee seems like a fair tradeoff - particularly if, as you said, these guys don't know how to get on the US college radars. How is that different to something like CCR or NCR or NCSA or whaterver they're all called.

AUSA is a bunch of guys hyping themselves up using talented players who don't know how to put themselves on the basketball radar and therefore are being exploited via ausa marketing to the US college coaches leading up to their tours.

AUSA are at all the top basketball events hovering around players blowing smoke up their a%$ telling them they can get them on a div 1 college in ether US but for a cost!

A cost the NCAA are now starting to investigate which will jeopardize players college eligibility if pay the fee to travel with ausa playing in US tournaments that NCAA have on their watch list.

Players beware!!

Agree with that completely, which is why I wouldn't have a bar of any of the recruiting services that charge like that.
Most kids who are good enough to get to a college can do so without them.
The argument of "pay the same, expect the same service" is a tough one. When it comes down to it the kid has to have the talent and how much you pay is irrelevant really.

It's the other way around with ausa though, take a bunch that pay full price so they can get the players who are actually going to be recruited on the trip for a lot less/sometimes nothing. Not the most ethical way of doing things.

^Duke Fan

Good point - COE are entitled to favour whoever they want

However AUSA - if you are all paying the same money, then shouldn't you be able to expect the same service?

Do you know of any teams/organisations that promote kids they don't favour?

The coaches involved in COE and AUSA still just promote the kids that they favour.
COE, yes by invitation only, provided you are an "international height" for your position, because you can't teach height.
AUSA will obviously take money from anyone, but don't get sucked in too much to pay for a trial for s US College or School - IMO they have already decided who they are promoting and you are just there to make up the numbers.

@Aussie, your question needs some validation, perhaps suggest what it is you are looking for in a basketball future first, then you may get a more direct answer to it?

Get coached by people who have ZERO coaching experience, to PREPARE you for college. Makes great sense.
And to top it off, pay significant amounts of money for this service; unless you already have some talent, then you might get access to their services for free.

I can't believe we are comparing this training provider to an ELITE program like the Centre of Excellence.

AIS is not a choice it is by invitation.

AUSA is a choice, you pay for the privilege.

They are not in competition with one another.

^Spot on.

Some COE guys still use AUSA as they actually promote them Tom more schools than St Mary's and Hawaii.

Great for getting your name out there, in fact, no other program in the country has ever helped with so many college scholarships in such a short time. #fact

Coe felt threatened by this, which is why they had their 'first' college combine this year.

This is a seriously fantastic funny thread.

350, are you on drugs? LOL.

There is no comparison, they are not even competing.

AUSA is run by a bunch of guys with excellent experience in coaching AAU teams and cater for the masses.

AUSA promotes athletes and does AAU tours. If you are at the COE there is no need to do AUSA stuff.

The development at the AIS is world class run by people with expertise and experience in various fields.

If you are one of the lucky few that go to the AIS you would be crazy not to go if you wanted to be a basketballer. College coaches go through the AIS to recruit the best kids in the country.

If you are not good enough for the AIS and can afford the significant costs to AUSA then great, they do good work and provide a good service for a fee.

Ausa hoops for training/development

Coe for Australian representation or college pathway