Hoops

Cairns v Adelaide Dec 12

So McCarron to start in place of Gliddon according to the Cairns Post. Interesting move.

Wilson, get off the spud bag buddy.

haha Wilson, you're on the Christmas card list ;)

So whats a figure of speech? 6months for $130K?

Time to give it a rest anon. Kingpodge is well respected on this forum and knows quite a thing or two about this league. You however, are anon.

Probably best for you to get a handle so we can see who you are and ignore your posts in the future.

*sigh* figure of speech....

you. have. missed. the. point. again...........

See, that's where you're wrong. Now I know you don't know anything about these leagues. Only 6 months work is it? Hahahah

.... you've missed the point....

And yes most people consider 130k pretty good for 6 months work.

Yeah, and Sobey only spent a year with Cairns.
Madgen is not making a bucket load of cash, unless you consider 130k a bucketload?

Cadee basically only played a season for the Blaze, the 36ers were the ones that spent capital on developing him - regardless of who didn't want what in the in.

Magen DP'd for the sixers for 2 years and didn't get on the court. The kings were the ones that invested 5 years and $$ into him. But he exercise his out clause to go make a bucket load of cash somewhere else.

Cadee was a GC Blaze guy. The Sixers didn't want him.
Madgen was a Sixer

happens all the time though. Look at all the other teams that have lost development guys, or guys that have gone thru/been in the system for a while:

NZ: Wesley, Te Rangi
Perth: Jervis
36ers: Cadee
Kings: Madgen, Brandt

That's all i can think of off the top of my head.

Or 'asset loss'

'Money' is just part of the narrative. The 'money loss' equates to 'talent loss'

it took a few years and 2 false starts, but we got Taipans Academy Graduate Wortho back - it's a long game :)

Now we just need Aaron Baynes back.... and we're sweet...

"Even if it were the Taipans developing players, we're essentially fattening up the chicken then selling it for a loss."

Not really, we don't lose money by losing the players. If we kept the players it would cost us more money.

It's not like a business that invests years of development into their staff to the point where they are near irreplaceable and it would cost them more money to re-develop - they're just basketball players that should be able to learn the team plays and rotations in a pre-season.

If he doesn't win MIP i'll eat my taipans membership card...

Perhaps the most impressive thing about Sobey's break out season is that he has been able to play within the flow of the game and not force things too much. More than anything, I thought that would be his limiting factor, as he appeared last year to be playing at a pace that had him out of control too often.

This year he has been cautious with the ball and not turned it over too much, and then turns on an explosive change of pace which makes him so dangerous. Last year he had an assist to turnovers ratio of less than 1, this year it is 2.2 assists for every turnover.

*try

the walls are orange Manu, but I'm very well aware of my own bias, which is why i treat to measure my feels with data ;)

I'm saying this lightly, but Podge you live in an echo chamber where the walls are painted orange mate.

Admittedly we don't have it too bad. We're a good team but over the last season and a half we've had problems sustaining effort and, subsequently, success.

Wilson, it's the proverbial 'chicken or egg' scenario. Even if it were the Taipans developing players, we're essentially fattening up the chicken then selling it for a loss. Not a good business model, Steggles can attest. Chickens are good for controlling tick and mosquito numbers in your yard, but instead Fearney is locking these chickens in cages where they can't do anything for you.

Fearne needs to give his birds some range, some scope. Some free range.

- playing/training next to a guy like Randall does a hell of a thing for your development as well...

again, development player, in the rotation to give some rest for Wilbekin, Gliddon and Bruce. He was never going to get extended court time. How was he going to play more than 5 minutes per game with that rotation?

36ers go 'hey we really want you, here is some $$ and a 3 year contract'. Given (at the point he signed) that Wilbekin was coming back, why wouldn't you take the deal for more $$ and be moved up the rotation? Taipans couldn't match the $$ or guarantee he'd see more court time.

Even then, he only avg'd 10 minutes court time last season with the 36ers and only started once. Injuries happened, he got opportunities, realised the potential that they saw in him when they offered him the deal and he's had an outstanding break out season.

Yeah there was, he played in the finals because Maynard was 'injured'.

well said Wilson.

Sobey was also only hear for 1 year as a development player and behind Bruce and Maynard (contracted players as well) in the rotation for most of the year.

In a team that finished the regular season #1, had no major injuries and made it to the grand final.......

There wasn't an opportunity for Sobey to get an opportunity.

Has anyone stopped to think how well the young talent have fundamentally improved and developed during their time in CNS?

Apart from NZ, there is no better DP success story than CNS in the last 5 or so years.

I don't think it's sad to see them go - i see it as a feather in the cap of the franchise and good luck to the players, who got their start and professional fundamentals in the CNS program.

If taipans had unlimited funds they would probably retain some more but they still have a bottom line which doesn't get compromised and as a result you have one of the most stable franchises in the league.

I would rather have a stable team every season then one that folds and gets rebranded every five years because they can't operate within a budget.

Sobey is an exception - no-one could have seen him playing as well as he has this season, but the other guys like Bruce, Maynard, Young and Steindl they ultimately wanted more money and the Taipans knew they weren't worth it yet - so they went to other teams that were willing to overpay them.

Manu - I'm not sold that he's had consistency issues his whole career, but he's def had the yips on offence the last couple of weeks.

Lot more goes into being the captain than the on court stuff, but you are right that you need to bring (at the very least) poise into a game. Even if you're not scoring, you should be playing the hardest. He needs to lead from the front when it comes to effort. Someone who didn't know who the captain was, would probably think Wortho is the captain based on the game performances.

Hopefully there's a slump breaker coming Saturday afternoon. I've got faith in his ability, i just hope he does! haha

Podge, feels as if people are attacking him if they don't agree or if they don't have a wicked pseudonym.

Bottom line is, there are some issues with retaining young talent (IMO)

Podge, Gliddon really doesn't get shut out by hawking defences. It's in his head, and he's had consistency problems his whole NBL career. Not an ideal trait for a captain, wouldn't you agree?

Yes its important for cred here to have a nick that is meaningless.

Yeah, because KingPodge reaveals so much about you. Hmmm, ok

haha ok then, all the best to you Anon in all your future anon posts

So was Sobey, until the 'spend to the cap' sponsor came on board. It costs nothing to suit both DP's at a home game. Don't get your knickers in a knot, I'm not having a go at you, just stating that Cairns will lose players over time if they don't look out for their best interests, and to be honest I'd like a guy like Tevin to do well there, but that requires opportunity. Although you may not agree with what I've said in full, even you'd have to attest to the truthfulness of some.

Cairns would be many college players last choice, and not because of the money. The only reason you got McCarron was because of Worthington. You guys are lucky to have him, although you can bet your bottom dollar he will move on when the deal is up. He will the return to Cairns and put on a show.

Is Fearne a lifetime coach there, or is there room for a change every 8-10 years? Just saying

haha Anon, it's also a pretty well established fact around the league that Anon posters generally post garbage....

I'm pretty happy with the people i talk to and the opinions/stories i hear. I don't get fed anything.

FYI Jackson is a development player....

*be

King Podge, you seem tonne struggling with bias. It is a well known thing that players around the league don't feel any freedom in the Cairns system. It takes a certain player to do well there, and good luck to them.

Where you're wrong is the info you have been fed about the players leaving, such as Sobey. If guys don't get an opportunity, they'll go, and that includes Huier. Tevin Jackson is just sitting wait for a chance, and they won't even suit him up for home games from what I saw on TV last night.

A lot of this stuff comes down to relationship building, and although I know you're a Cairns fan, it doesn't seem to lend itself to that very well. I'd be annoyed as a Cairns fan watching all of these players walk out.

haha wise words Paul.

I guess the trick is to act without overreacting.

Rewind just a few days and they'd won six of nine and led the Kings by 15 in the third. They botched that and had a bad night against Adelaide (both by going away from the system that works) but it's not time to panic, they're only one game out of fourth and 2.5 games off first!

Manu, no idea... Could be a bit of A leading to B. Could be that he's trying to be too unselfish, and/or he's second guessing his decision making. Either way he's having an ordinary confidence patch and hasn't looked switched on at the other end either. Maybe it's time to take a leaf out of Bevo's book this season, and bring Cam off the bench like Rot. Help him work that confidence back. Start Mitch at 2 and see how they go.

Twinkle, in theory Eggs in the starting lineup for Jawai works for me, but Jawai does open up a lot of options when they double him in the post. We're very perimeter orientated when he's on.
Or start Wortho/Eggs at 5 and Weigh at 4.... Weigh's post work has been good the last 2 games - I was surprised they didn't go to him on the block more against Sydney.

Maybe they're all just a bit fatigued and need a week off..... after last night i know i do...

I wouldn't mind seeing Egwu start with Jawai coming from the bench.

Also, Fearney said starting spots are now up for grabs

Kingpodge Fearne has coached the Taipans for 4 more seasons than Joey Wright has Coached the 36ers. The only way to compare the coaches is to judge them over the last 3 seasons in which Joey wright has had a better winning ratio.

36ers
2013/14 21-13 runners-up
2014/15 17-13 Semi Finals (3rd)
2015/16. 14-14 5th place
52-40

Taipans
2013/14 12-16 5th Place
2014/15 23-9 Runners-up
2015/16 12-16 6th place
47-41

Podge,

What's your take on Gliddon’s inconsistent play from game to game? Just symptomatic of the defensive attention he's received or does he take himself out of games?

Are there any areas the team can improve on?

1st pro season in Australia Zodiac..... I'm well aware of his history...

It's Maccaron's first professional season

Anon: Wright - 1 GF with Radelaide, Fearne 2 GF with Taipans = more GF appearances.

Sorry if i stuttered....

I think the performance against Brisbane at home has woken this team up into adjusting in a few key areas. The Defence especially has been better.

I just love what Jacobsen brings. I don't care about what the stat sheet reads, he gives us something that's been missing for a long time.

Anonymous, I hate the term 'haters'. What does it mean? It's a lazy dud word which just means that i don't agree with what you think so i'll classify you as someone who hates. People should stop saying it so much everywhere.

Fearne really needed to give Heuir more minutes last night. It was pretty obvious that the towelling given to Trice meant he wasn't able to get into any flow, and Heuir is a guy who is ballsy enough to not care who's defending him, he'll have a crack. He's better at driving to the rim than Trice, and I think he's probably a more consistent 3pt shooter (no, I haven't checked the stats.)

Mostly, though, I wonder why Fearne didn't try Edwin defending Randle. What worked so well in Brisbane's thrashing of Adelaide was Craig's defence on Randle. I understand that Randle had a great game in the return leg of that weekend's double-header, but it may have been a good thing to try. Like it or not, Adelaide fans, the 6ers still need Randle to be playing well to win. If he's not able to contribute, then it makes it harder for guys like DJ to score (it's pretty well noted that he's not a 1st option guy.) That being the case, trying something else to hold Randle back might have made a difference last night.

Just quickly, on Tevin Jackson: he's a guy with tremendous talent, and an NBL ready physique. I think he'll probably do very well somewhere (and I hope it's Cairns, who have forward spots coming up next season.) He really needs to work on his shooting technique for jump shots and free throws, though. Currently, his form is aweful. He should have a look at the strokes of people like Heuir or Ferguson from the field, and Randle or Worthington from the line, just to name a few examples from last night's game.

#612792, sounds like a 'sack Fearne' thread is in order then...

Kingpodge Aaron Fearne has not Coached the Taipans to more finals series than Joey wright has at Adelaide.

Joey wright has coached the 36ers to 2 finals series in 3 seasons which includes a GF appearance.

Aaron Fearne has coached the Taipans to 2 finals series in 7 seasons which includes 2 GF appearances.