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Jaron Johnson released

^^^ beat me to it. but speculation was it wasn't drugs but "something else" if you know what I mean.

Tucker sacking in November 2004 was HUGE (well in the NBL online community world, anyway, lol, everyone went nuts)

And Rashad Tucker.

OK, so thats why the Wildcats had to move himn on so quickly the second time without anyone lined up. Not only did they cop a lof of flak over it, they had to do it with no option of a rebuttal (with the truth).

Perth certainly don't mess around when it comes to drugs. David Bailey, now JJ.

And I thought WTH you're resurrecting a dead thread for? Where's Dazz?

So it's finally out. I wonder if this has come out now because another team is keen to sign him and it was necessary to make public that his ban ends prior to next pre season??

ASADA announced today that Jaron Johnson has been sanctioned for a breach of the WADA Anti-Doping Code after testing positive for cannabis.
He was tested as part of regular in-competition testing after a game against the New Zealand Breakers in November 2016.

Agreed Isaac.

I can't imagine Adelaide dealing with a crisis cleanly...

I can buy the drugs rumour but the police one seems weird to cover up considering law enforcement would be interested in that. Same with the alleged Ingram "pinder" rumours

An incident of that sort would just be a distraction for the league and team. NBL doesn't need that - needs to focus on the games.

"If it was, as seems to be the primary speculation, a failed drug test"

I don't know either way but the way I read the speculation was that it was different to a failed drug test. More of a police matter. That could just be me though.

And why would the Cats want the info public?

If the info is legit, why would the NBL rat them out? No benefit to them - just a distraction when the league is doing pretty well. And why would the Cats want the info public? Cotton comes in, they win some games, and nothing makes the papers. Why throw a player under the bus if you can avoid it? They'll survive looking awkward for firing and re-hiring. Barely anyone will remember that in a year.

Probably some decent lessons in crisis management. I doubt a club like Adelaide in years past would handle an issue like this as cleanly.

^ I don't get it either.
I've heard nothing about the situation other than the official releases and the posts on this forum, and to me all the circumstantial evidence matches up pretty well with what random anons + Isaac have hinted at. So after my initial disappointment about the way JJ has "been treated" I have basically stayed silent on the matter, because it's pretty clear to me that there were other factors at play.

Dazz the defender of the indefensible.

Cotton was available for three weeks before Johnson was sacked.

New Zealand managed to replace David Stockton in 36 hours.

Hmmm possible traces but inconclusive on first release and confirmed violation on second release? Was trying to ignore this but well you really piqued my curiosity...

There's a third possibility: he broke club rules.

In the second category, is it possible he was somehow ineligible to play?
In fact, given the rumours surrounding Ingram, perhaps the league cottoned on to the "season-ending injury" thing, meaning Johnson couldn't return.
That would be something the league would presumably make a statement about, thus the anon's claims at the time. Why nothing would have eventuated, though, I don't know.

I don't know it works, is there any need to get a FIBA clearance from his Turkish team???

But if it was as the Wildcats say:
1. Why did it take so long to do something everyone could see they needed to do from pre-season?
2. Why did it take them so long to sign a replacement?

Hmmm possible traces but inconclusive on first release and confirmed violation on second release? Was trying to ignore this but well you really piqued my curiosity...

Did you hear that rumor from an anon on here, by any chance?

I'll put this to bed once and for all. If it was out of the cats control, then it could be one of two reasons:

A week is ages. Remember that Jesse Sanders kept playing for Sydney back in 2014 even after they'd already signed Sam Young to replace him.

Johnson shouldn't have been released until Cotton was already locked in to play the next game.

I'll put this to bed once and for all. If it was out of the cats control, then it could be one of two reasons:

1 - he's broken the laws of the country. A matter for police and the judicial system, not something to be swept under the rug and allow him to fly home

2 - he's broken the laws of the league/sport. E.g. drugs. Again, no need to sweep this under the carpet and cop the PR hit in his behalf. He wouldn't have been the first or last to leave a club under these circumstances, if true.

And neither really would affect future recruiting, unless the wildcats were helping him break such rules, in which case the NBL would probably do something about it given they know the story and are "going to make a statement on it"

So, I'm pretty sceptical about Mr scandal's story

They tried three games in and it blew up in their face. They Brought him back and knew if they sacked him again it would look bad. Maybe they were reluctant the second time for this reason but they were fast slipping out of contention so they copped the public relations hit and did something. He was also playing better and showing flashes so it wasn't that concrete that he had to go.

As for why it took so long, it took a week. That's not that long. It's feasible that they knew they had to move in a different direction so they did, even if a replacement wasn't immediately available. There is addition by subtraction. They are 3-0 without him and no the first two were not because of Andre Ingram's brilliance.

Lastly if the anon knows so much why not just say it? You're posting anonymously and you're stating apparent facts so how could you be in trouble.

More likely that you have no details to support your story

But if it was as the Wildcats say:
1. Why did it take so long to do something everyone could see they needed to do from pre-season?
2. Why did it take them so long to sign a replacement?

And yes, Anon #616765 above makes some very good points.

As it is, the "sack him, re-hire him when injuries strike, publicly promise him the rest of the season, then sack him again two days before Christmas, makes them look incompetent, disloyal, ruthless, and untrustworthy. It has not only pissed of fans, but is not a good look when they go recruiting at Summer League next year.

Plus, if you're going to lie and cover something up, why not something that puts the Cats in a better light??? Something like the ever popular "returning to the states for family reasons" or the recently in-vogue "mental health issues."

That's my point, people just keep making vague mentiosn, which basically means that whatever transpires they can claim to be correct, when in fact it has been obvious that they know jack shit.

If Isaac takes it seriously, I'm inclined to take it seriously.

he was back in Houston within days this time around.

"Unless of course the scandal is more embarrassing and damaging to their future recruiting ability than the releasing due to poor on court performance (or team fit).

Think about it"

I've thought about it and it still doesn't make sense. If it was out of their control then why would it hurt their future recruiting?

If anything the story that we know if is more damaging. On face value it looks like they've d1cked JJ around. What import would like to be subject to that?

Check the wildcats Twitter responses to the release. Sorry, what you say doesn't add up and the league hasn't said anything either. You have no credibility

I'm another that doesn't buy the 'scandal' stuff, occam's razor and all that. The Wildcats have made themselves look like rank amateurs this season with the deactivating of JJ, signing & releasing Ingram on spurious grounds supposedly another scandal, re-activating JJ and now punting JJ a second time so logic suggests if there really was some scandalous reason he had to be cut again they would've at the very least put it out there on the quiet rather than make their club look like the tin pot operation it currently does.

Unless of course the scandal is more embarrassing and damaging to their future recruiting ability than the releasing due to poor on court performance (or team fit).

Think about it

If there was a genuine reason that was out of their control then the cats could've absolved themselves from that blame.

A lot of non basketball fans asked me "what the heck is going on there/what are they doing" in relation to the sack twice thing

Brand damage which the cats were happy to incur apparently, according to the "rumours", which the NBL will clarify in a statement two weeks ago

The post above sums up why the scandal rumour has no credibility. What benefit is there to covering it up if there was indeed a scandalous reason? As it currently stands the Johnson "sacked twice" saga just makes the cats look like an indecisive, unprofessional organisation.

If we hadn't secured the services of Cotton prior to releasing Johnson, then we are very VERY fortunate.

If Isaac takes it seriously, I'm inclined to take it seriously. The delay in signing Cotton points in that direction as well.

Though obviously the press release from the NBL hasn't eventuated.

Meh, trolls can't even keep their rumours straight.
At this point, unless somebody is prepared to man up and actually make a claim, I'm not really interested.
"Things are not as they seem" WTF does that even mean???
"Perth had no choice." Wrong, they always have a choice. Unless he got deported by the Feds or locked up by the cops.
"NBL knows the full story." Pigs Arse
As if the Cats would trust the NBL to keep a secret.
Cats weren't happy with him, and took the opportunity to replace him with a better option when Cotton became available. THAT's how things "seem".
Remember, "not a good fit," covers everything from on-court mechanics, bad attitude, to personal hygiene.

If somebody wants to make a contrary claim, rather than just spout gibberish, I'm all ears.

Did you hear that rumor from an anon on here, by any chance?

Things aren't as they seem, cats has no choice but to release johnson, i'm sure the story will come out soon

By the way the two Beal posts were me.

I've been saying it for a lot longer than last season.inconsistent chucked. Average import.

Oh that's right you told us last season.

Beal was/us not very good. He just arsed a huge game every now and then and we lucky enough to do it in a GF series once.He just would have been a better fit for Perth in their current situation.

Johnson has probably put up those numbers in less minutes too. I'd say over the past four games his numbers are probably approaching the star level.

Johnson was turning out to be a fine player but he's not someone you build around, he's more like the gravy on top. Wildcats needed more of a building block type player

Quality highlight reel put together up above by Nick Tan. Most players would be happy with that in a season. Johnson was a bit raw but he certainly was starting to show what he was capable of more consistently.

Still waiting for that official NBL statement...

hey genius do u think that an empty chair is a better player then johnson because that is what it would mean if the team did not have a replacement ready to go before sacking him. that is crazy of course so in other words something has caught them off guard.

Why do people give ANY credence to these gormless Trolls???
I mean seriously, the internet is largely anonymous anyway, this board even allows users to be almost completely anonymous, yet none of these twats who claim to know will dare to clarify what they claim to know.

Any fuckwit can claim "they had to let him go" without actually knowing jack shit. That way, it doesn't matter if it turns out he was a terrorist, or he left because his Grandma is ill, the fuckwit can still claim to be right.
Worse still, years later, when NOTHING has "come to light" they can still persist with the same puerile claims.

So here's the challenge to all wannabe anonytrolls. If you believe JJ "had to be let go" due to something he did, state your case, or shut the fuck up.

Because otherwise, here's what we actually know:
JJ was not a good fit.
The Cats sacked him for "not being a good fit."

Johnson has posted a short "thank you" picture on Instagram to the Red army. Greg Whittington one of the commentors!

"The gif is several traumatised fans watching the end of a famous streak. You seem to have taken the exact opposite of the intended meaning."

What did you expect when you put gif after what you quoted