Hoops

Kings v Wildcats 7/1/17

everyone is talking SHUFFLE as the reason for the Kings demise, BUT no one knows what the SHUFFLE is!!!!!!!!!!!

There was a rule preventing Harrington coming into the Kings lineup with only a few games to play a couple of years back IIRC. Pretty sure the rules are there needs to be atkeast 8 games remaining to be bring in an import. I may be wrong that's what my understanding was.

"They're not allowed to."

Why not?

Tomlinson is pretty bad, but better than wroe

Wagstaff and Hire are good example of what I'm talking about, both have played roles in successful Perth teams for many years. Are they starting material? Maybe, maybe not (definitely not with Hire). Same with Wesley, who played a big role in 2 successful years in NZ. Tomlinson led the league in assists, leading a playoff team. The league has improved, he hasn't. But still a role player. Boone, Moore both experienced vets with solid international resumes. Kenny has played plenty of Tall Blacks including a World Cup. And was huge last yr, holding the fort for Damo and helping Perth win the title.

Decent benches. Full of starters? Maybe not, but that's not a knock.

Melbourne's bench: Boone, Wesley, Barlow, Odigie, Moore, Tomlinson. Very solid.

Perth: Brandt, Wagstaff, Hire, Redhage, Kenny, Wroe/Bragg. OK.

Problem is, injuries to guys like Martin, Knight, Goulding, Blanchfield and Andersen mean that lots of these guys have had to step into the starting 5 which has led to mixed results. But if both benches were consistently playing as, well, benches yoy would probably respect the depth of both teams more.

"One or two injuries" to the wrong people will test pretty much every team in the history of basketball.

"Wilson Sting "PER, (like MEL and ADL), have no depth", "Teams like NZ and CNS however, have great depth" lol Where you drunk when you wrote that?"

Unfortunately no, i've gone dry for January, so I'm happy to stand by my comments. When I say no depth, I'm referring to the bench players, and they look ordinary for PER, MEL and ADL (and SYD for that matter). There's nothing wrong with the depth of their starting fives, but one or two injuries or some players in foul trouble will really test them.

If I was Sydney I would still get rid of Jackson and replace him with an import point guard even though that guard wouldn't qualify for finals.

Martin may play limited minutes depending on how his knee pulls up.

Well you're right, but the other thing to remember is it wasn't like Perth was an awful team before. The losses were mainly tight ones. The margins are slim though that when you add minutes to guys like Cotton and Martin and you remove minutes for a guy like Wroe it can be the difference between winning and losing.

Kings shuffles on the same line but move around like crabs. Think of Frogger.

We haven't won away from Perth since our last game and also the game before that.

can someone pls explain the differences between the kings offense and other teams offense. It all looks pretty much the same to me. Perimeter passes, pick and rolls , slashes to the basket.

I think everyone is caught up in "the shuffle", but what is it the Kings are doing different!!!!!

Wildcats are shocking in QLD and are shocking away from home. Brisbane plays tighter and will not give Cotton room to move. Prather looks seriously out of form, and Martin may play limited minutes depending on how his knee pulls up.

I'll say Martin either plays very limited minutes or none at all.

Brisbane $1.40 Wildcats $2.20 Line @ -6.5 $1.85

I would put 500 on the cats with those odds

Those odds are amazing

Lol Bookies

Also good to see Daryl White is a Pelicans fan

Perth then daylight

Cotton looks awesome

Jvg should just stick to being GM. He travels to every away game too.
Let the coaches select their players. No GM interference please. Look what they have now as a result.

@ Brunson, just watched the replay and Jackson was very poor, even the tip in basket and board was actually Powels, I'm not certain how this plays out with rest of the team.

Prather looked out of sorts last night and I expect the league to make an official announcement next week.

Wilson Sting "PER, (like MEL and ADL), have no depth", "Teams like NZ and CNS however, have great depth" lol Where you drunk when you wrote that?

If I was Sydney I would still get rid of Jackson and replace him with an import point guard even though that guard wouldn't qualify for finals.

1. They will have a much better chance to make the finals
2. Their fans will get satisfaction of seeing home wins.
3. It would be a good test to see if that import is good enough to be selected next season.
4. Jackson offers them nothing

I think Sydney would still be able to compete in the finals with the import providing relief for the rest of the players during the regular season as well as giving them a must needed spark.

Wilson Sting, Melbourne have no depth?

Unfortunately PER, (like MEL and ADL), have no depth. So their run to the playoffs will depend entirely on about 3 players; if anything happens to any of them it's all over.

Teams like NZ and CNS however, have great depth, just not any real superstar power up front (Penney aside).

It's an interesting mix in the league and I guess that's why it's such a close and entertaining season.

Too much Nando's chilli sauce?

Wildcats probably never should have played Casey Prather tonight because he was in the hospital today in the bed next to Nathan Sobey with gastro.

last time I checked harris never played in the nba........

I wouldn't get too excited just yet Marvelle Harris put up similar numbers in his debut we'll see if Cotton keeps it up when other teams have had a chance to scout him.

Very good debut though, highly efficient.

It just shows how competitive the league is. Add one good player and suddenly Perth are back in with a shot.
Still a long way to go.

"Cotton will get absolutely lit up by Cadee"....you heard it here first.
I heard it... but didn't see it douch bag.
Cotton single handedly killed a loaded team !!

They could be back the cats

Cats have 10 games remaining. 5 of them are at home.

Jack Toft & ROFLcopter great prediction for the game kids. Kings got crowned by a newbie, Prather had a shit game, Damo not match fit & Matty still healthy.
Haters be shiting themselves, now top 4 have all played more games than the Cats. Plus Cats have a heap of home games.... What ya gonna do !!

I see a Perth V Adelaide GF series. However gets HCA should win.

Kings needed a point guard so they bring in an under sized 4 man. What's the point of having Prewster and not playing him, as with garlepp coming on after Jackson who looked right out of his depth. Hill and Moller have contributed well when given the chance but seem out favour.
Kings defence is not up to it exspecially with Lisch and Newely starting to look very tired, they are the easiest side to shoot the three on.

Positive was McDowell Whites 10 minutes.

Love how Alan the expert cites "Nielson's choice of JJ."
No cred if you can't even spell his name correctly, yet you want to believe what you say is true. / rolleyes

Cats then daylight.

J/K.

But, Cats vs United for the GF if they can both get healthy and remain so. Big IF tho since two United starters are now injured.

Wow!
Highest score by a Cat on debut. Very impressed.
Did everything we wanted from him, and more.
Mostly just amazed at his instincts. For a guy who is completely new to the team, he was also picking out the right guys at the right time. Only credited with one assist? Seemed like more.

Interesting to see whether he gets even better, or whether teams will become better prepared.

And lets not forget "Show-Time"! Massive game from him. He's been steadily improving, and as I'd hoped, he looks so much better with Damo and Cotton feeding him.

Just seemed like everyone was being used better, and playing their roles better tonight. (Except Prather, but great that our best player can have an off night, and everyone else stepped up.)

Cotton is a great pickup. Patient on offence, great passing ability and he looks to be a much better shooter than I thought he would be. Those threes and most his free throws were nothing but net. Looking forward to watching him play again.

McKay was huge tonight and Brandt was more aggressive in the post.
Was Prather not well tonight, he looked really flat all game.

Gleeson meet with cotton, in April.

No coincidence that Brandt has looked good in the last two games to. He is bullying people with his huge frame in the low post and using that hook shot to good effect.

In one of the NBL news article, Gleeson mentioned that he's been scouting Cotton for 2 years. Obviously from what you saw tonight, he was always going to be on demand somewhere and it was just pure luck that he was available at this time of the NBL season. If Cotton had chosen to play somewhere safer than Turkey, he probably wouldn't be here.

Well done Gleeson, great scouting with cotton. Should of let you get him at the start of the season. Instead they went with Neilson choice of JJ.

Brissy will also suffer the same consequence on Monday.

You're pretty spot on @Jumpshot, but Lisch & Newley are in that same class as penetrators, however the shuffle O doesn't give them an open drive from the top. I'm sure if the court was opened up or flattened out Lisch & Newley would wreak havoc penetrating & creating.

We all knew Perth was going to make run and with this new GEM running the show they could win anywhere anytime now.If they get the top spot or number 2 spot in the playoffs good luck beating them.

As I said 8 weeks ago, the Kings need an import PG, who can drive, create and shoot from anywhere on court. So who do they get??? Blake and then Jackson. Other teams get Randle, Trice, Ware and Cotton. My prediction 8 weeks ago: it's Bye bye season, due to a totally unbalanced team, a weak bench, running an outdated shuffle offence, and poor shooting.

Shuffle does not work. I think we posted Powell up once, and Whittington once. Lisch is having to create his own offense on isos, Newls just drives outside the offense... it just doesn't work.

Defensively we gave up some easy ones and Cotton shot the lights out, but if we execute on the other end with the talent we have we aren't sitting at .500...

Mcdowell-White had a bad turnover but otherwise he looked like our 3rd best player of the night but probably only logged 10 or so mins?

If Lisch is running on fumes it's because Kings have no backup at the 1 spot. He has to do everything.

McKay was AWESOME tonight. Played his role to perfection. Inspires effort. Love it!

Lisch & Newley look burnt out... with the Kings lighter schedule and maybe a small reduction in minutes, the Kings could be back this year?

Looked like the Kings played 4 guys for 30+ minutes tonight, where as the trend for most other teams seems to be less minutes, more player rotation & quality time rather than lots of time.

If/when Lisch & Newley spark hot form again, the Kings'll be dangerous again.