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NBL Statement : Joey Wright

I think its bit late for him to try and take the high road.

The truth is Joey rolled over and accepted the penalty. Hardly the actions of an innocent man who cried wolf!!

Rat10 we are talking racial vilification. This isnt role over shit. You don't let racial go. There is a reality there

Cheers Uncle Fester! See this is already easier :)

You could conclude that or it may just be a case of the Sixers wanting to put this distraction behind them and focus on the business end of the season rather than having this drag on... Also I would say it wasn't Joey's decision alone to accept the penalty - probably a club decision to do what's in the best interest of the Sixers.

Cool. Follow if you like. The truth is Joey rolled over and accepted the penalty. Hardly the actions of an innocent man who cried wolf!!

I think I got my anon posters wrong - meant to say "anon 623293". Which goes further to my point. It would be far easier to reference posters if they weren't anonymous!

"Oh so I should post as Uncle Fester and that would give me credibility. Because Uncle Phil gives you so much street cred. Laughable"

It does actually give Uncle Phil credibility Anon #623291. If you've been around Hoops SA for a while you'd be aware that Uncle Phil always provides well thought out, well written meaningful comments that are worth reading. Same with posters such as Isaac, Paul, XY and rjd who used to post a while ago.

This is why I hate anonymous posters - it's hard to judge if what they're saying is worth reading because they have no history, and zero credibility so you generally just skip what they have to say and move on to the next post. When you have limited time and thousands of posts to read why would you bother reading posts from anonymous posters rather than guys that already have "Hoops SA" credibility. If your aim on a forum is to get your posts read then why wouldn't you come up with your Hoops SA handle and stick to it?

I understand the irony of this is I've read and am responding to an anonymous poster but that is merely because Uncle Phil mentioned him in one of his posts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrbzVkwyiNM

I do my best not to be racist although it isn't easy.

Oh so I should post as Uncle Fester and that would give me credibility. Because Uncle Phil gives you so much street cred. Laughable

Well what do you know Uncle Phil, he has accepted his punishment. I am shocked at that! People don't accept things that they have proof are wrong.

Joey has now accepted the NBL fine .. no appeal etc....

Anon, I think it's a much shorter bow to draw that you don't know Joey personally, and also a short bow to draw that you have no idea what your talking about. The fact that you post as an anon and make statements like you did shows how little credibility you have. Maybe your the one who needs to pull your head in fast you can stop embarrassing yourself.

Jeez Dazz. Just keep digging a bigger hole. Surely you must have learned from all your idiotic posts that it is you how should simply stay away from the keyboard. You would have a lifeban now if this was basketball.

"If it was my name splashed across the papers incorrectly it is what I would do." If you think about what you said there you might solve the riddle for yourself or not.

Anyway as Isaac has said we have a fantastic week of Basketball coming up and then the finals series. The NBL has done the best they can by not saying too much and letting the game go on regardless of what happened. Only us die hard fans are curious to what actually happened. The rest of the general public would feel the matter has been dealt with.

Uncle Phil, how on earth do you know if I know someone personally? You dont. You are making assumptions based on nothing. Secondly with a track record as long as your arm for being overtly aggressive and volatile its a pretty easy bow to draw. And for all you know I actually have all the facts so maybe pull your little head in.

Dazz "When you get a tech-foul, the number one rule is that you shut up and sit down."

That is rubbish you're allowed to seek clarification in a calm manner. What is determined a calm matter is subjective.

"Going after the ref when you have already received a Tech is just plain stupid, and he completely deserved to be evicted."

More rubbish. Do you want to exaggerate it anymore? At what point did he go after the ref? A different ref gave him the first tech then Hogan decided to come along to speak to Wright. Completely deserved to be evicted? Was he abusing the ref? was he yelling at the ref? He was slightly animated.

"Then going after the ref in the media, is just mind-bogglingly insane."

No what is insane is your inability to put together why he did it. Find one case where an NBL coach has been thrown out of a game for such a small infraction. No abuse, no yelling. The ref could have just said "It hit the ring and they incorrectly didn't reset the clock" and walked away, instead handled it poorly. Wright is right to question if Hogan has a hatred bias towards him since what happened in the past. If Wright goes directly to the NBL nothing gets done. If he makes a scene of it then he gets what he wants and that is to not have Hogan ref his games. Whilst a decision like that hasn't been made official, I doubt we will see Hogan ref any of the Sixers remaining games this season.

"Besides which, throwing out the "racist" card just because you happen to be black, is despicable."

As Isaac said a new low for you Dazz

That's a very long bow to draw anon #623275. How can you say how a person who you don't personally know would have reacted to a situation 6 years ago, have you ever been racially abused? Stupid post.

"whether he did or didn't racially abuse him is beside the point"

Isn't that the entire point at the centre of the discussion

The new NBL has no records of past issues. It had to be shown the facts by a 3rd party. Post there original statement that the ref was never suspended the NBL stated that he was suspended but not for anything racially based.

The ref was banned for 6 weeks which would be one of the heaviest suspensions in league history for anyone

Joey is very confident about the events

Boti is also confident enough to have Uncle Rupert's lawyers back him up at risk of employment if he is wrong

The ref concerned has not made a statement that have seen refuting Joey's claim and I doubt that you will see him make one.

And if I felt like a ref looked at me and made that comment, I then couldn't trust their judgement as a ref disputing my claims about a call.
What was supposedly said is very offensive; I was even shocked when reading it - it's apartheid-era South Africa stuff.

So Hogan said these comments to Joey's face, a man who is known to be very volatile and there was no punch up like in Perth many years ago with Adam Tatalovich in 2014.

I struggle to see if these comments were racial and verbally directed at Coach Wright that he could contain himself.

The league needs to review all tech fouls issued by Hogan to African-American imports over the years and rescind them. As he is a known racist the only possible explanation for him giving techs is his racism and none of the players involved deserved them.

/s

"Whilst Hogan was suspended in 2011 in respect of remarks he had made about Coach Wright, the NBL's investigation at the time into that incident did not result in any findings in relation to any remarks or slurs of a racial nature. "

So he abused him, but not racially, according to the investigation. They don't need to say anything else.

Whether he did or didn't racially abuse him is beside the point. Joey claimed he did, and was suspended for it, in order to save face for being ejected.

You don't get suspended for 6 weeks for saying something kind

I'm talking about what happened this weekend, not ancient history.

"How do you conclude this? Was Hogan suspended for racial abuse?"

That's my point - we don't know. We have Joey, Boti, the Sixers and some reliable posters indicating on here saying that he was. While the NBL is saying he wasn't but have failed to specify what he actually was suspended for. That's why the NBL should provide clarity on why Hogan was actually suspended, until they do that, this issue will drag on as we don't know who to believe, and it would actually benefit the NBL to state what Hogan was suspended for if it wasn't racial abuse. The fact they haven't done this loses them crediblity and considering very reliable posters on here seem to be hinting that it was a racial issue, I'm leaning towards believing Joey's version of events that it was.

1} Was Hogan accused of racial abuse
2} Was any action subsequently taken against Hogan
3} It is realistic to assume that there could be a link between 1 and 2?
I don't see a lot of people concluding things but I do see a muddy minefield

" the NBL has provided lack of clarity on this issue and definitely show they have something to hide.

...the NBL is just compounding the issue with the lack of honesty in their response"

How do you conclude this? Was Hogan suspended for racial abuse?

Dazz next time you want to accuse a person of doing something "just because they happen to be black" please remember to first get in your time machine and go back a century to when that type of thing wasn't universally considered to be ignorant and disgusting.

The irony is, that despite being proven wrong, I have some sympathy for Joey on the FIRST tech-foul. He's not the only coach that complains vociferously, and often its hard to pick why a particular argument gets a tech when so many don't. But it happens, and you move on. Trev's been teched, even Neillson got teched. As I said, you shut-up and you walk away.
Joey didn't, and all these problems stem from that.

Eviction is a harsh penalty, but its what follows.
Joey should know better by now, but unfortunately has a history of misbehaving after getting a tech.

Going after the ref in the media? Just a dumb move.

Dazz...there is no surplus after your consumption!

Interesting stuff Isaac, generally being a trustworthy source your comments seem to explain why the NBL has provided lack of clarity on this issue and definitely show they have something to hide.

It's been a pretty poor showing on both sides to be honest. Joey has not behaved in a great manner but the NBL is just compounding the issue with the lack of honesty in their response. Very poor form from what should be an organisation trying to improve its image and considering they have generally been going in the right direction the past couple of years.

The only way that something which happened in 2011 is relevant is if you are claiming that Joey's tech-foul was racially motivated.

Now, aside form the fact that his eviction was completely justified, if it was accompanied by a racial slur then the NBL should throw the book at the ref. But is that what is being alleged?

No, Joey is dragging up a 6 year old allegation to attack the ref who evicted him.

As I said, a new low for Joey.

Brunson, as Paul alluded to earlier Hogan has a clear case for defamation if these allegations are untrue. Wright has been found guilty and fined for what the league is saying is an untrue allegation. The simplistic reasoning is if they have proof show it, if they dont Coach Wright is in for a severe civil awakening I would expect. If it was my name splashed across the papers incorrectly it is what I would do.

"What puzzles me is IF Joey and the 36ers have all this evidence why wouldn't they produce it and refute or fight the penalty?

Well I was enjoying the robust discussion up until someone came in and Dazzed all over the place.

The simple facts of life are these:

If you persist in behaving like a serial dickhead, you will eventually get a tech-foul.
When you get a tech-foul, the number one rule is that you shut up and sit down. Doesn't matter who you are, or what colour your skin, persisting with the behaviour after the first tech is begging for disaster.
So Joey got what was coming and was evicted. That SHOULD have been the end of the story.

Doesn't matter who you are, or what you say, if you are stupid enough to then go after the ref in the media, the NBL has no choice but to impose sanctions. End of story.

"What puzzles me is IF Joey and the 36ers have all this evidence why wouldn't they produce it and refute or fight the penalty? All very very silent on that front."

Because regardless of if it is true or not NBL would have the power to suspend Wright for the rest of the season for bringing the game into disrupt. I doubt Wright or the Sixers want that to happen. If that is the case then it was the best move forward for all parties.

If you knew anything about what had actually happened, you'd probably retract that.

A says something racist to B. B complains. Dazz, with no evidence whatsoever, calls B despicable. A new Dazz low.

What puzzles me is IF Joey and the 36ers have all this evidence why wouldn't they produce it and refute or fight the penalty? All very very silent on that front.

It's basically a racial slur in itself. Sadly ironic.

Besides which, throwing out the "racist" card just because you happen to be black, is despicable.

What Boti writes is generally checked by lawyers. (Well, except his romance novel - did anyone read that?)

From my understanding of what's happened in the past, the NBL should rescind this fine and suspension threat.

I imagine that if it weren't for it being a chance of distracting from their run into the finals, Joey and the 36ers could release info that would cover their case.

NBL should drop it and move on, if they haven't done so quietly already.

Yes anon 238 this is very funny. Maybe he should have done his ringing around BEFORE putting the article to print and not after.

or throwing it out because it happened...same same

Either way, there is history there and the way Hogan was umpiring it was quite obvious - he was blatantly 1 sided.

The umpiring has been flat out BAD across the board but Hogan took it to a whole new level.

Joey needed to make a stand against Hogan and his complete disregard for the rules that night, it was well warranted in my opinion.

I think the 36ers have every right to demand Hogan not umpire any more of their games because he is clearly still holding a grudge. To be honest, I think Hogan should be stood down and fined for bringing the game into disrepute.

"I will also add that Boti wouldn't print something unless he was very comfortable backing it up"

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

I will also add that Boti wouldn't print something unless he was very comfortable backing it up

He would also not print something that put Joey into a dangerous and possibly liable situation unless he knew the facts

I think its entirely plausible that Boti and or Joey have a smoking gun that the new NBL management know nothing about and old NBL management may be hoping doesn't come out

Keen to know what does it take for a ref to say something that warrants a suspension.

Until the NBL can explain that the evidence sits with Joey imo

I think Loco is on the money!

This aint over

Just remember the same person that decided the ref didn't do anything wrong, yet still suspended him ,was the same person who decided Hodge did nothing wrong in Adelaide,that Robbins didn't nothing wrong by throwing a ball at a Hawks players face etc etc etc

Loco is on the money

LOL sad but probably true Loco