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WA SBL - March 2017

There is a new 'April' thread.....

https://www.hoops.com.au/forum/41142-wa-sbl-april-2017

Please start using that one.

3 Rounds in who are the standout players to watch in MSBL. Need to get to some games soon and want to know which teams/ players are worth a look.

"The Salary Cap is $60k per team, and you cannot combine.

Accommodation (and any associated expenses) and airfares are not included in the Salary Cap.

A club can also allocate a certain amount of a players wage to "non-SBL" meaning it is not under the SBL Salary Cap."

Thanks for this information. So realistically, does most/all of the $60k get spent on imports or do locals get paid too? Also, you say they can allocate a "certain amount" to sit outside the cap? How much?

Clarke is a horrible coach. Im not sure why everyone looks at him as some sort of coaching guru. His in game adjustments are woeful. His substitution pattern is pre determined no matter what and he really hasnt done much to justify his tag.

Suns Men within a whisker ...
I don't think its fair to say they'll surprise a few teams with a second import when they lose to the State U20s team. They'll be competitive with Lightning and Flames near the bottom.

lol no they wont. Lakeside Mens side is almost as bad as they are. Beating Lakeside shouldnt be an achievement

Suns men were within a whisker of beating Lakeside men. Belger first game in and near triple double. Brandenburg to come in. once they are at full strength they will probably surprise some teams

Flames won't bite their pride and will see out the season with Zollo. It's sad because he's getting beasted and hasn't even come up against a Carlwell, Billups or Turner where it'll be embarrassing.

Cockburn snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Van Lit needs to go back to his minutes from last year he was terrible and hasn't contributed anything as a starter apart from turnovers and questionable D. DT had more impact despite his foul trouble and Field seems to be a third option on offense. Della seems very frustrated by his lack of minutes as well. Cockburn won't make the 8.

Turners stats dont even scratch the surface. He handled the Buccs so easy, we had no answer for him. Armour and Scott rotated onto Benjamin, he was just getting frustrated by them all up in his face.
It's scary what Turner will do against Lakeside or Eastern Suns

Watched the wolves absolutely humiliate rockingham tonight up here at Joondalup. Is zollo the worst import in the league? 1/12 from the field and just plain sh*t AF. If he lasts until the end of April, the flames are seriously stupid

Ray Turner is back.

Took PL a bit of time to get into the flow. Spent half the game making turnovers at critical junctions that would stop their runs.Back to Back tech fouls in the middle of the 3rd also didnt help. Gifted Cockburn 9 points from the ensuing Fts and out of bounds plays which kept them in front heading into the 4th. Cockburn had a red hot crack and with 6 mins left looked like holding on. Experience in Purser, Carlwell and Smith showed though and they just locked in defensively and choked the offense. Anytime Van Lit was on the floor the Hawks exploited it. 100% should have played Della more than 8 mins.

Lakeside women are going to be dangerous when they have the full squad.

Nener was way out coached last night. Had Big lead , maybe 20 points and threw it away. Matches Stevie Van Lit against Ben Purser. Purser thought all his Christmas's had come at once.
No team work, seemed every man for himself . Gavin Field couldn't get the ball? When you have players such as Field and Della ( Injured)? Use the. Did the same thing against Wolves.
Will he be the first coach sacked this year? Who would be a good replacement? Cougars Will NOT make the Eight with this coaching team.

carn the Hawks!

The Salary Cap is $60k per team, and you cannot combine.

Accommodation (and any associated expenses) and airfares are not included in the Salary Cap.

A club can also allocate a certain amount of a players wage to "non-SBL" meaning it is not under the SBL Salary Cap.

What this all means is that the $60k is quite generous and it would be quite difficult for any club to reach the Salary Cap, despite what some of you might think.

If anybody wants to check this for themselves, a full explanation of the Salary Cap can be found at section 1.9 of the SBL By-laws, which can be downloaded from the SBL website.

the cap is 120K per year for both mens and ladies teams combined. Im not sure it has to be a 50/50 split.

Salary Cap is $60,000 per team per year which is player/coach included.

So if a coach is being paid $10,000 for the year. That leaves $50,000 for players per year. Which means $25,000 per import, so to look at it. The club can spend $25,000 on an import, which means over 25 weeks of basketball/being here, that's $1000 a week. This is meant to include cost of housing per week, Car, and any other costs which totals up to $60,000.

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if for example D Scott(example only) had a suga mumma giving him money to follow his basketball passion and buy rubbers etc, why would the club have to report it? The agreement is between the two parties independent of the club. Sure there may be some stuff that the two involved would have to keep records of, but what does the club have to do with it?
what if your rich uncle said to you dont worry about finding a job this season, im going to give you 10K to just relax and play ball. I dont need anything from you except to know you are doing your best. Does that count as sponsorship? Do the records of the club need to be involved in that.

Yes, Brandt is a restricted player in the SBL.

Brandt avg 13.6 or something like that min in NBL so he would be restricted.

until they convince him to stay on

$$$$$$

Brandt if he comes in is for the time Turner is out. An injury replacement.

I believe the premise of bringing Brandt in is to cover for Turner, ala Loughton for Roberts

Armour
Scott
Bowie
Brandt
Turner

name me a more imposing starting 5...

where the bloody hell is random? anybody explain his absence. we need good previews dammit

His comments were not at all bad or a plug against the team last year.

Exactly maybe some time under your belt Nener before commenting on a championship team and benching the players that were "relied" on like Della - MVP and DT

Della and Thomas are so important? yet they have played minimal minutes and they are coming off the bench to guys who have played at Kalamunda or never in a Men's League and after leading the team to a trophy last year. Confusing, to say the least!!

Its all fine to score the ball or be young but to win games you need to play as a team and get the right shots at the right times. Those two guys are exceptional at doing so and yet they are on the bench.

Della played 13 minutes. Just clocked over half a game in two games. so consufed.

lol yeah you shouldnt rely on the imports you have brought in to win. Until Nener wins anything as a coach he really shouldnt say anything.

WITH THE ADDITION OF WILL MCNEILL I THINK THE MAGIC CAN BEAT THE GIANTS THIS WEEK, IF THIS HAPPENS THE GIANTS ARE GOING TO STRUGGLE TO MAKE THE 8.
THERE IS NO PRESSURE ON MANDURAH AS THEY HAVE BEEN TOUTED TO FINISH LOW, HOWEVER THERE WILL BE ENERMOUS PRESSURE ALREADY ON THE GIANTS TO WIN THIS GAME AT HOME.
IF THEY LOSE EXPECT ALOT OF FINGER POINTING IN A GROUP THAT HAS BEEN THROWN TOGETHER.

Poor comments by Mitch Tinley on the article. Thought someone in his position would have more professionalism than that. Pretty weak.

For a coach that's not relying on Billups at all seems a little funny to make mention of last seasons team doing so

You are extremely over sensitive if you think that is throwing shade at anyone

Nener bagging last years championship team doesn't do much for the retaining players...
"Losing Marcus and Najee from last year is tough, they were quality players in their championship team but I thought they did rely on them a lot as well."

Good news for Mandurah!

Magic's 2nd import is Will McNeill, a combo guard out of Washburn University

YOu guys know the SEABL and Big V are having the exact same problems. Check the other threads. Keyboard warriors.

Why would State teams be on the WABL website... they have nothing to do with WABL would the SBL post about players who made NBL? lol. everyone looking for a bone to pick. BWA site is a disgrace though.

I also noticed they wiped off all previous years results/boxscores etc.
And last years are all now jiberish!

Haven't been able to get drop down menu on SBL mobile for a while.
BWA websites are an embarrassment - as their face to the public you would think they would put some priority on getting this sorted but it has been dragging on for years now. On basketballwa website front page it still refers to 2015 Kalamunda coaching announcements and a Waves game! If you're not going to update the information, at least black it out. On WABL site there hasn't been anything in the state teams tab for a couple of years so unless you check News on basketballwa you can't find out who are in their teams. SBL website a bit better until they wiped out all the previous years' information a few weeks ago and now even the current year isn't updating.

For those participating in the SBL Tipping comp, the website is working again.

Fixtures have been loaded up until Round 10, for those who may want to put there tips in advance.

The Redbacks-Eagles game isn't until next weekend. Not sure why it's listed on the fixtures as part of this round.

Is anyone able to get the live scores/stats bar at the top of the website to display on mobile?

hawks v cougs: interesting to see how long BC stays on the court. The Cockburn bigs are a tough cover for him. He’ll get his points at the other end but he won’t do it easy against Billups!

Who's this 2nd Magic import you talk about?

Anyone have a name?

If a person is being sponsored, they need to be sponsored for something. It needs to be placed in record keeping and therefore needs to be documented or it is highly illegal. Just like working under the table.

Lakeside V Suns

Lakeside young guys to get a lot of confidence out of this one, they will all put up numbers and be better for the experience.
Lakeside by 15pts but will never be in danger.

Cockburn v Hawks

Interesting what coach Parsons will come up with for Billups.
BC will be far too slow.
Purser may be the best match up but that may only slightly limit his damage and then that leaves BC guarding Field. Yikes!
I think you can expect to see a lot of ZONE.

Geraldton v Tigers - Match of the round.

I expect if this was at home then Turner would play, but with the travel may just rest him another week.
Or fly him up, why not?
Bucc's at home by 8pts, they are a 15pt better team at Tip Top!

Goldfields v Magic

Strangely I would have the Magic favourites in this one, Giants seem in a world of pain atm.
Holmen’s return can’t come quick enough, Jury is still out on all these new recruits.
I think the coach said Atom Atom would be another Mathiang Muo, think he went a little early on that call!
If Magic have the 3 x imports, I don’t see why they wont be able to get the W.
Magic by 6pts.

Slammers V Eagles

Where is Voelkel at? Injury or VISA issues?
Everyone understands how important early wins are and Slammers don’t want to drop off the pace.
Eagles will be too strong and put some early heat on coach Nix.
EP by 12pts


Wolves V Rockingham

If this was at Rockingham I would tip flames, Im not sold on Wolves imports at all, and without any real ring protection and inside presence they dont get a lot of 2nd looks from the offensive rebounds from the 3pt jacking.
Flames import Donovan Jack is an athletic freak and will be a top 5 import this year, will get better as he adjusts.
Zollo on the other hand will be matching up against Guerin who is under just as much pressure to remain in the country!!!
Wolves by 3pts.

Suns v Redbacks

Lucky this wasn’t 48mins, SR would be going for 60, he still may!
I honestly believe SR/Loughton/Bowen & Wagner would beat this team themselves. No subs, 4 players for the full 40mins.
SR & Loughton will be in genuine shock at the quality of this team.
I reckon a few of the Suns players may even ask for autographs after the game.
Reds by as much as they want to win by.

Redbacks V East Perth

Davis will no doubt make things a little harder for Redhage as far as limiting his offensive put backs and getting a hand to some of those rebounds and changing a few shots, Perth will still have too much class.
East Perth putting a decent squad together and will be hanging around that 4-6 by seasons end.
Be interesting few weeks once they get some cohesion in place.

Lakeside vs Suns
Expect Courtney Belger to play but the Lightning should still be far too strong inside for the suns to handle. Ferguson could have 20 rebs.

Cockburn vs Hawks
Billups and Purser would be worth admission alone in this one. Bit of a matchup issue for the hawks there though as that leaves Field to have a field day! Hawks by 5

Geraldton vs Tigers
Simple, if Turner plays then tigers by 7 if he doesn't then Buccs by 10+. Bowie will be able to slow down Benjamin.

Goldfields vs Mandurah
Mandurah's new import arrived Monday and will hopefully be cleared by this weekend. No sign of Holmen yet meaning Mullenax could have another 30+. Tough one to call but I think Magic get up in an upset of sorts.

Slammers vs EP
Have Bunbury played away yet? Need Voelkel back ASAP for this one with Davis and Anthony here with a week of training under their belt. No Bragg but EP still too strong winning by 15.

Wolves vs Rockingham
Wolves by 15

Stirling vs Cockburn
Tough double for the Cougs backing up. Field and Vague will be a great matchup along with Billups and Ellis. Stirling by 8

Suns Redbacks
Redbacks by 30+ Redhage for 40+ if he plays enough minutes.

Redbacks EP
Both on a double header but Redbacks should be able to rest easy in the second half. Loughton and Redhage vs Davis will be very interesting. Redbacks by 4 but not a confident tip

The person could just have a sponsor that help them play basketball with no need for advertising. Like a rich uncle who doesnt give a toss about exposure. It doesnt necessarily have to be tied to a club