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Matty Knight news

"The only way to diagnose CTE is with an autopsy, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't had one of those."

How dare you say this without a medical qualification :P

Some of you blokes are severely lacking intelligence.

No point fighting it....just keep licking them windows :)

"The only way to diagnose CTE is with an autopsy, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't had one of those."

Rubbish. People can easily diagnose head trauma by reading the opinions of anonymous people on hoops dot com.

Luuuc Marvin like some of the adelaide hierarchy are just salesmen you really think they'd open up to you about the true extent of the issues? Please, these people are always working even socially in the off season they know how to say the right things. Marvin is gambling with knights health. That's on him and the club if some it hung goes wrong to an extent from this point. So it is what it is, people seem passionate on both sides of this. Good luck to knight, I hope for the best and don't end up reading something sad and depressing on here or the likes of a news.com.au as a fluff piece about his physical fall from grace well after he has retired.

The only way to diagnose CTE is with an autopsy, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't had one of those.

Thats all well and good Luuuc but six random anonymi said that Knight should retire but Nick Marvin is forcing him to play so thats all I need to hear!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVrHlXsQJgw

Classic example of Marvin having no regard for player welfare.

FWIW I had a conversation with Nick Marvin about this very issue a few weeks ago, and I Can say that the characterisations here of him putting results before his player's welfare are way off the mark. Seriously, do you think he wants to commit a key roster spot to a guy who he knows he could lose indefinitely at any moment? His best course of action was to seek the most highly regarded opinion(s) possible, and it seems like that is what he has tried to do.

I am really not comfortable with the idea of Knight playing next season. But what is that feeling of mine actually based on? A lot of random anecdotes, brief articles, etc. I'm certainly no expert in the field and I couldn't argue against someone who is.

Apparently being concerned is a trait of a hater now!

To the bold anonymous, you're being a pretty stubborn idiot about the big picture. You don't seem to understand people are genuinely concerned and I would be concerned myself if I was Nick Marvin and something went horribly wrong and people started asking me why I signed off etc sure medically I was backed but did I ask enough doctors? Did I deep down know I had t simply say as a club we aren't comfortable and Matty would've been reluctantly ok with it etc understand the big picture not just that a doctor has said it's all good baby!

Perhaps all future opinions could be prefaced by a short rundown on your qualifications to make such opinion public.
Especially those who see Marvin and others being negligent.

No, we are saying that those saying he shouldn't have been cleared don't know the full story.

Exactly. People think it is black and white but it's not. The specialist would give his opinion with qualifiers, i.e. you can possibly play but with these reprecussions down the line. The people screaming hater are so dumb, they think the medical opinion he got means there is no risk.

The term cleared to play and off the record you your brain are 2 different things. Doctors will give a very technical analysis, but would they give their own kids the same feedback without a more humanised opinion? No, so technically he has been cleared by doctors yay realistically the chances of him ending up in great pain later compared to another athlete without the head knocks would be much greater.

The Wildcats have wasted a lot of money sending Matt to Melbourne. They only needed to consult the neuro specialists here. Those stupid guys with the letters after their names wouldn't know anything despite their qualifications and experience. And to think it is ok to clear him to play without asking the legends on this forum for an opinion is beyond belief.

That tickle that caused him to stumble against the Hawks was the last straw for me. If caring enough to stand up and say this is a terrible idea and the nbl as a whole needs to be careful how this plays out, then fuck it I'm a 'hater'.

ROFLcopter is correct, others who are naysayers must not follow NBL closely? As I recall even with the Razorbacks he had concussions. Then at one point years ago with the Cats the word was one more and he was done. Since then there have been many seaons with many more concussions. Boggles the mind (pun intended).

Dr ROFLcopter is a flog...and not a doctor.

Anyone who is aware of the history of Matt Knight's concussions and thinks Knight playing again EVER is cognitively impaired.

End of story.

Every team gets ridiculously criticised on here. Not sure why Cats think it's only them.

746: Not a cats fan

Its not that Cats fans cant handle criticism. Its just the ridiculous lengths people go to in criticising them. Apparently, according to these internet experts, the club has failed in their duty of care, despite Knight getting the all clear from the doctors, and that this will actually be great to see the smug Nick Marvin get his comeuppance.

But no, its clearly the Cats fans who are being irrational here...

#633746 is another prime example of the feral defense mechanism of Cats fans. Criticise any aspect of their club and they will attack ferociously. Stop taking it so personally.

Knight isn't on 300K, lol.

Thanks Anonymous and Anonymous.

Genuine question, not trolling. Legitimately new here.

It was an overall question, not specifically this thread. I'll leave the Matt Knight's health aside, as I have my own opinions there (psychologist, married to a psychologist. I understand duty of care pretty well). It's just that I've noticed across a variety of threads that the Wildcats seem to be universally despised, outside their own fans. Wondered why.

Cheers.

@^ What utter crap you are spewing. Majority of the negative comments on this thread regarding Knight playing on have a negative tone towards the Wildcats. You cannot dispute that.

It's a very serious issue yes, but if the doctors deem it safe to play he should play on. Every. Single. One. Of. You. Dickheads. Would. Do. The. Same. Thing.

Hmm.. Listen to the professionals saying it is safe to continue playing sport for a living and earning 300k a year? Or retire prematurely based on internet knobs on a forum. Tough call that one fellas!

Well said. Brett I suspect you are trolling but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. The Wildcats fan base aren't exactly gracious, they will stick it to you whenever possible, then cry "haters!". But this is offtopic as the point of the thread is a player's health.

This topic has minimal hate for the Perth Wildcats, it's more to do with a sports team not showing adequate duty of care. The club in question simply happens to be the Perth Wildcats. I've loved to dislike Matty knight over the years as an opposition fan purely due to his excellence as a player, but now I'm concerned FOR him as a human. Untwist your opinion and get these facts right before labelling this hate.

I'm new here. Can someone explain to me the absolute hate for the Wildcats? Is it just because they perennially succeed?

NBLPA is basically Jacob Holmes' study. and he's not even a lawyer but studying towards it. Joke.

"In this day and age the NBL doesn't even have a policy on concussion."

Well that says it all. Bush league.
yes, that's exactly what it says. Look at all the other main codes and you would see that the concussion protocol is well and truly implanted into the major codes.

Bush League indeed. All they seem to be worried about now is bums on seats. Certainly not players welfare. Where is the NBLPA in all this? Nowhere to be seen as usual.

No need for that. The Wildcats haters haters haters sure are rude.

"What's it got to do with Marvin?"

Umm he's the the guy in charge. The buck stops with him. Fuck, the Wildcats haters haters are morons.

I hope Marvin is keeping tabs on this thread as the advice here has far more credibility than anything he will get from the medical specialists

What's it got to do with Marvin? Fuck, the Wildcats haters are morons.

Yeah but pretty sad way to put Marvin for what he is... at the expense of a great bloke that has had some bad luck with head knocks.

"In this day and age the NBL doesn't even have a policy on concussion."

Well that says it all. Bush league.

Wildcats may have legal issues down the track, smug Marvin may finally get what's coming.

Agreed.

If this was in the AFL or NRL he would NEVER be allowed to play. Period.

Every reason to do so. There is every chance that his pre existing injuries will preclude him from any insurance coverage. related to head trauma. In this day and age the NBL doesn't even have a policy on concussion.

If he is still under contract and cleared by doctors to play on, and insists on playing, then what do the "it will be on the Perth Wildcats and their supporters" type people expect the club to do? Refuse to honour his contract?

Sorry that's just another sill comment. Results don't count in the long term you may have a brain injury because those same results.

Leave the bloke alone, they won the title and all you can be judged by is results at the end of the day.

If this ends badly which I believe it will, it will be on the Perth Wildcats and their supporters who all seem to have their heads in the sand at this point. A doctor can give a medical assessment and by technical terms give the all clear. But I'm sure that same doctor would off the record use common sense if it was their own sibling and say you are done! And I say it's on the club and fans because if there was an outcry this wouldn't be happening and he'd be paid out medically.

He probably doesn't want to retire because any other type of job would require him not looking like a caveman.

So many silly comments.

Nobody is suggesting we know better than the doctors.
Instead I think most have a fair idea of the advice given, and we are disagreeing with Matty's decision, not is medical advice.

I can promise you that no doctor as given Matty any guarantees. They've given him an assessment of his condition, conceded he could play on for years if he doesn't get another wack, and outlined the risks if he does. Matty as decided to play on and the Wildcats have backed that.

I can't say that I disagree, because its is choice to make. However as a fan I am very concerned.
Watching him stagger around after a light rap, made me feel physically ill. I don't want to see that again.
I love the Wildcats, love watching them play including Matty, and winning their 8th Championship was something very special.
I can't imagine how sick I will feel if it turns out this cost Matty his health.

Much as I like and respect Danny Green as a person, I simply cannot get behind a sport than involves deliberately pummelling your opponent's brain. Nothing is worth that and Basketball sure isn't worth risking Matty's health.

As someone who has been involved in many concussions over the last 4 seasons in afl and rugby I am totally amazed that Knight is allowed to play on. Stunned. I would be almost 100% confident that at the elite levels of the AFL or Rugby this wouldn't happen.
I have done several courses over the last 2 seasons and there is no sense in this decision that I can see. The more concussions you get the more potential long term damage can occur.
If the medical staff that have examined him are right - fantastic. I wouldn't want to the Doctor that got it wrong.

Screw coach of the year! He did nothing it was all about how good sobey and Randle were playing. When tactics needed to be implemented Joey exploded. And the health of a mans brain activity compared to Joey Wright and ability to not win titles are very different topics. I hope this isn't a told you so routine and knight has a graceful after basketball life.

Yeah but you might have had a title...

Well thank goodness that Knight will be listening to his Dr's and not the opinions of uninformed posters. Just like nbl coaches etc don't listen to opinions made about them by the same posters. Have a view but leave the final say to the experts. Just like after the first couple of rounds saying the sixers were done and fire Joey, if those uninformed opinions had been listened to we wouldn't have coach of the year.