Hoops

State Champs

Forestville, Sturt, southern. Whoever it is... it's not going to make any difference come nationals.

VICS rule!

BSA website records go back to 2001.

2017 is the first year Sturt have not won any trophy (reserve or state, overall).

Sturt will be just fine, they were everywhere in GF's but some fell short.

Forestville have proven once again their girls program is simply the best in the state.

Watch them play and you will see they have one maybe two really talented players in both the 12's and 14's the rest just play to the system and it is a good one.

Changing of the guard last year and different approach and many different coaches. Some at all clubs are gifted great teams or players and only coach talent. Thats not as honarable for me. Others can take a good team and make them great or weaker teams and make them stronger. Those coaches I respect. Some only coach good teams that some one else has put all the work in to and tqke the credit given all the resources needed to make it happen. That I find poor form and foes bot help a club when other teams are continually let down and see those resources inadequately spread. The sacrifice is in all the other teams. What is sad is that some good teams are let down by inexperienced coaches who were thought to have talent and they let the team down only to blame the players.. Leading a coaching group and getting it right is not as simple as you would think and winning teams are not always a result of 1 coach, but usually because of others that got the players and teams to that point, then someone else takes the glory.... or not which seems to be the case.

Sturt were runners up in more than I can remember - zero titles across the board though, which is highly unusual.

sturt would be runners up to those 7 of 8 too.

Credit to forestville. 7 of 8 championships. In womens

"*Correction Apology - Basketball SA would like to apologise for incorrectly announcing at the presentations that the Sturt Sabres Basketball Club were joint winners of the State Champion Boys and State Champion Club awards. We apologise for the technical error and the disappointment this may have caused."

Posted in BSA web site already. As predicted. Sturt none. Spread of clubs. Somebody will be smirking.

from what i have worked out -

state girls Fville

reserve girls Fville

state boys Centrals

reserve boys North

unsure on overall - ? Fville

First State Champs without Mesecke making the decisions about players for teams, coaches etc Summer Winter leading in to them, so Sturt will find out how much his influence really had on the success of the junior program. Love him or hate him good bad or ugly success was there. Will be interesting for sure. Predict a bigger spread across clubs.

looks like some trophies are going to new clubrooms

why have div 3-4-5-6 ?

They are not invited to state champs anymore, club cancels trainings because of state champs yet they are banned from playing - so basically sent away. No compensation trainings, club puts their hand out for same fees, club fills their media with div 1/2 team info. Squad head coaches only interested in Div 1 and politics. Draws for div 1 and 2 are articulately done and balanced / located.New players off the street can walk into some clubs div 1-2 teams and be called "elite" yet regular Div 3-4-5-6 players / teams etc get cut out further.

I understand what you're saying..^^ we do all our work with our girl away from the club.emotional conditioning, growing the love of the creative game.. all away from the restrictions of the club..

It's about all you can do now to keep the flame lit.

No way any 14 team will win classics this year. Been watching these girls for years and seeing many too controlled by coaches and their talent not unleashed. More and more basketball is becoming about the coaches and micromanangement. If the players digress they are fearful what that means for their spot. I fear we are losing our next generation of girls who will represent on the national stage. Participation is down and I have seen many players leave for other sports or just quit and a common theme is not knowing how they fit anymore and being able to play to their strengths and not enjoying the game and losing their love of the game. I want to see coaches create a game that fits the players rather than make the players fit their limited and inflexible game plan. It has to be about coaches serving the players for the benefit of this great game and not about the coaches desires for themselves. Another issue is motivating young girls and positive constructive coaching. I want to see some enthusiasm and passion and joy from coaches and a genuine connection with players. I rarely see it. And parents no longer feel they can challenge poor coaching behaviour either. Forget the game being about the refs, it is also to service coaches and players are at the bottom. I know its a negative view but unless you look at issues and be honest then a plan to change culture and improve for the benefit of players then the game and representation on the national stage suffers. I know I am not alone in my thinking. Good luck to all the girls today and please speak up and let the adults know that may be letting you down know how you feel. A player revolution is needed.

would not make any call on 14 club champs til after classics. Until everyone has seen all the teams play - saying a certain team is going to win is just uninformed. Even after classics teams have 6 months to sharpen their game up. SA teams ok but a long way from "winning it".

well there would be around 10-12 Div 3 teams disappointed that they were disallowed from entering.
Less people involved - This is what was wanted.

Agreed. Totally crap. Felt like a couple of regular games close together.

Zero atmosphere.

Interstate Umps that should be. Long day.

Where are all the photographs and reporting of previous years ?
Merchandise not available at all major stadiums as previous years.
No Atmosphere. No Prelims. No playoffs for all teams. No challenge from Div 3 Teams. No interstate coaches. Not all clubs represented in a few Groups. No country teams. Just does not feel like State Champs anymore.

Anyone else ?

I think Sturt might take it out.

early qualification prediction for girls...

Bulleen, DV, Dandenong, Eltham, Hawthorn
Sydney, Manly, Gosford, Maitland, Newcastle
Gold Coast, Cairns, South West Metro
Sturt, Forestville, Southern
Willeton, Joondalup, Perry Lakes
North West, North
Cyclones, Suns
Canberra


Bulleen to win.
Sturt 2nd
DV 3rd
Forestville 4th

It was top 4 for boys a few years ago because Sturt won it the previous year.

Top 3 to Nationals. Top 4 to Classics.

5 vic
5 nsw
3 qld
3 sa
3 wa
2 tas
2 nt
1 act

Is it top 3 or 4 that go to 14 Nationals in girls. Think boys is top 4 but girls 3. Anyone know for sure.

disregard sportingpulse glitch

Is that 36-0. Scoreline correct in u16 g state ? What went on there ?

Kids are often misunderstood, yep. Huge talent in multiple teams. Potential to shine and will when exposed to NITP program and even playing field away from their clubs.

There's been some blowouts, yes. But there's also been surprising wins and also closer games than expected.

Not even by far, top end closer than you think. Not as much depth as there should be but I believe that is coaching quality issue and the nature of girls not being understood. 14 twos is a worry and with div 3 not eligable anymore the talent can not be seen or measured and that will not help improve overall depth or encourage movement of review if players internally. And why are we still not using electronic scoring that is used for school basketball and social and why are results not posted. Come on SA lets get professional and no more excuses its too hard. There would be people who would volunteer if someone asked if you can't manage to use the laptops to score.

^That's not who I was referring to at least, but I also won't be naming anyone.

Blowouts across the board so far in U14G - maybe not such an even comp...

I don't need the name. A simple yes.

They have two centres and i am not about to name an 11/12 year old.

The centre is AA?

^^ agreed, North's centre did miss Southern Cross, she is very good, knows her position well for a 12/13 year old.

She will make a big difference to SA team next year.

The top 20 of the 14's girls are very good, some speedy guards and strength in the mids and talls i dont know i agree with the lack of depth, just a different group.

A number of players were unavailable for Southern Cross too e.g. North's center.

This year's U14G don't have as much depth as last year's, but have considerably better top-end talent.

These 14 girls placed extremely well at Southern Cross Challenge, finished 3rd and 4th.

They took it to the VICS, beating two of the VIC METRO teams and also VIC COUNTRY.

The Sturt outfit will be very competitite vs any team you place in front of them.

The high performance programs, camps and tournaments are doing good things for the 14's now IMO

How would these u14 teams go against qld qualifiers (Gold Coast, cairns, south West Metro)?

The vic teams that are most likely to qualify for club champs look strong once again.

I'm not writing them off, they are a brilliant team, very talented. I am making the point the 14 girls state comp is really even, from the best down to the bottom teams, there isn't huge gaps in skill.

2 key players out injured and a first year that prob should be getting bo court time in a state champs closer game. Still the best talented team maybe not used as well as previous years wrh different coaches who put rhe yards in to develop these girls.. 2 are not originals either

You can't name juniors, sorry.

State champs and there are still games with no results against them from last night, geez.

Few thumpings up there, all expected.

A highlight was Forestville state 12 girls demolishing Centrals, played a hard press the entire game much to many supporters horror. It's state champs people, not school ball - get over it.

Rockets boys teams with some 100+ plus thumpings too in 14's and 16's.

As predicted the state 14's girls comp is even, Sturt girls with only a 14 point win over Mavs when people expected a demolishing.

Who's the best u18 point guard for girls and boys?

The entire under 14 girls comp is fairly even. The bottom teams are still doing ok now Woodville relegated (they were DIV 3 standard at best). Poor old North with their baby guards is left at the bottom, but when we've played them they show promise and have the best centre in 14's IMO, she just isnt fed the ball well yet.

South is hit and miss, but have had some good wins.

Mavs have some great players and strength and Bearcats have improved a lot.

The stand outs will be Forestville and Sturt but i think Southern and Norwood will nip at their heels and Centrals have a few new country recruits i think...

u14G state pool B - is anyone's guess - what an even pool

One moved states, however being a talent at under 12 level doesnt mean much come under 14's.

the 14's girls teams are all pretty even IMO, even the teams losing by 15 each week have kept the top of the table to 2 points until the 4th, lots of first years in the bottom 2-3 teams.

Sturt v Fville in the final, unless an upset occurs by Southern or (possibly) Norwood when they actually run a play.

i think ! is on the money.

it'll be the annual Forestville sweep of the girls in state.

all will be close -

probably the only certainties would be

Fville 18G state
Fville 12G reserves
Sturt 16G reserves

IMO -

state -

12G - Fville
14G - Sturt
16G - Fville
18G - Fville

reserves -

12G - Fville
14G - North
16G - Sturt
18G - Fville

Where did these lost players Go?

I know you did, I was just providing context to the scoreline of their last encounter: Forestville had their full team whereas Sturt were missing their best player (IMO), so the 2pt margin may be a little flattering.

It's a shame because if Forestville hadn't lost two key players from their U12 div 1 team then it might have been 50-50 contest.

Following mothers footsteps?