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Premier League Preliminary Finals

#113. I think you may not see or hear everything.

It was james.
Unsure which James
Over reaction I believe.

Which one? Moved to the other GF or removed?

anon above
one umpire already has been taken off the grand final as a result

If the referee punched after the push yes he would get suspended. To the post above saying you cannot let the losing side of a preliminary final dictate the result of the grand final. They didnt, Ridgeway did when he retaliated with a punch or bitch slap.

Could you imagine the AFL saying here is a 4 weeks suspension for striking but it doesn't start till after the Grand Final!! You're smoking some serious weed to come up with that outcome mate.

PL is not actually part of MG job description at all.

What were the charges in the first place? Was there footage of it?

Hawkes 8. Ridgeway 4. Plus both another 6 weeks suspended sentence on top.

Hmmm, could west pull out an appeal application with "new" evidence, put it off to next week and get him to play. Bit of dirty pool but worth a try.
But let's not forget that Ridgeway is really just a role player, was terrible at beginning of season and was often in foul trouble. Not an insurmountable loss, losing Oldham would make it near impossible but this may galvanise the bearcats and put them in an us vs them mentality. Wouldn't rule them out. Maybe Corey can step on the court and push Drmic and sacrifice himself, basketball is often a copycat sport.
Do feel a bit sorry for Harold, young kid that let his emotions get the better of him, probably will be the end of his international career and will probably be the scapegoat if they lose, not sure if teammates could have dragged him away, but is a really nice guy after meeting him a few times.
What did Hawkes get BTW?

Bit of an early call there. Ridgeway is only a bench player afterall!

Steven it's not up to you.

LOL oh my Steven.

Interesting to know the outcome of the tribunal there Steve when it hasn't been held yet.

6.30pm tonight (thursday)

Will they use the same Officials from this game on the grand final?



Would be clever not to

Hawkes?

Ridgeway maybe with a technicality but will get book thrown at him eventually. Hawkes a dead man walking, one of worst examples of brain snaps. 10 weeks plus.

So what do people think the chances are of

A) Ridgeway playing this week
B) Hawkes coaching round 1 2018

Or were the x-rays to check to see if he had broken his foot? Don't frame an argument to suit the side of the fence you sit.

Both are in big trouble. If Hawkes does not initially push Ridgeway we have no issue do we. No punch, no kick, no chasing around the court.

If the senior Coach of the club doesn't react to adolescent behaviour and can't control himself then who is to blame for that? He is an experienced man in the basketball world, he is the face of the Men's senior program. He didn't like losing, didn't like being told about it and reacted by making contact with an opposing player which lead to the dumbest reaction by a player ever and then the ensuing melee there after.

I believe the appeal would only be granted on the basis of new evidence being introduced, or misconduct in the tribunal hearing. If neither of those things are established, then the appeal will not be granted.

As for Hawkes - interesting question!

Actually just read the bylaws regarding the tribunal. As a layperson a person can appeal the decision of the tribunal within three working days of being informed of the penalty. So if the tribunal hands down a suspension on Thursday night, has Ridgeway simply got the right to appeal the decision Friday night and then be eligible to play GF and then have the appeal heard the following week. Seems a fairly big loophole in this whole affair. Play the Grand Final then take whatever penalty he gets the following week and if he doesn't return then gets no penalty. Can head back to US and say he's playing for a local association and serve it there if there's some rule about it following him internationally.
Or is it the case that he has to serve the penalty until it's heard at the appeal tribunal the following week.
Either way, if bsa had heard the charge on Tuesday then the bylaw is moot, anyone heard when it officially is being heard?
And other interesting thing to read in bylaws are the penalties, has a specific penalty for kicking and based on what has been reported, hawkes is in trouble. But does the penalty have to be served next premier league season or can he say he's coaching under 12 div five and serve it there?

actually illegal homophobic or racial verbal slurs

Facepalm, getting weeks with one game left. Unless he retires he will play again, not sure how/if suspension will follow him, but if he comes back here he will have to serve remainder. But this brain fade may cost west chance at title so doubtful if he'll return.

Very Old (but still has more marbles than I it seems), you are correct as Breheny (Coach) head butted Keogh(player).

The difference between the two incidents (as I see) - Keogh came over to Breheny 'toe to toe' and Breheny head butted Keogh.
Whereas Ridgeway came over to the Coach 'toe to toe' and the Coach pushed him away.

Very Old in your book of life you give a 'slight nod' to what would be OK for you to instigate contact with a tauntee.
If the contact instigated is a push is it considered 'slight' or in your book is it considered the 'Breheny nod'?

Getting in front of an opposition player's face and saying nasty things happens all the time.
You were around when this was a very much part of the game. Players push each other, no harm & no foul and the game continues.

There is an invisible line in sport when the 'in game' abuse and pushing escalates.
The trigger point is always when someone is struck in the face.
There is really no going back from this point, you defend or get hit, or people come in quickly to break it apart.
But once you strike someone to the face its a fight.

I think the player is in deeper trouble than the coach. But both are in the proverbial wayyyy over their heads

Switzerland
Yesterday
15:02 14 Aug 17

"biggest brain fart I've seen in basketball since Damien Keogh head butted Steve Breheney. "

Interesting,..... I saw Steve headbutt Three-O Keogh, back in that semi-final series, but I never knew that DK ever got him back, ..... which season was that ?

Here's the thing, irrespective of what was going on (with a slight nod to actually illegal homophobic or racial verbal slurs, or a verbal "I'm going to kill you" from a person actually holding a weapon), there's not much verbally that can excuse the first contact being instigated by the tauntee.
Its the escalation to physicality that usually defines the crossing of the threshold from stupidity to common assault, and opens up the opportunity for the responder to claim "self - defense".

I think the coach is in deeper trouble than the player. But both are in the proverbial wayyyy over their heads

I was not there.

All have one theme though - both did the wrong thing! Fault only shades the degrees of the wrongdoing. Fact is both deserve weeks.

Have heard Wednesday or Thursday. I think the only question is will BSA allow an appeal that can't be heard until next week.

Pissweak if they do.

Last year the Cairns Taipans import got a 12 months suspension (later reduced) but it was only for within Australia. He was free to go play anywhere else in the world so not sure the above post is entirely accurate.

What Harold has to determine is what is best for him if he wants to continue playing basketball somewhere. Whatever happens he is most likely going to have a suspension he needs to serve before he plays in any competition elsewhere. Given there are so many players out there why would a club look at him knowing he can't play straight away which may also indicate he is rather volatile and not disciplined. Perhaps he needs to avoid all this talk of delaying tactics, take a small penalty on the chin and improve his chances of playing elsewhere. I am sure BSA will impose a heavier penalty if lawyers delay the tribunal. In those circumstances BSA will need to appear not as a toothless tiger and go with a heavier penalty.

I said I didn't hear him yelling at any West players so obviously wouldn't hear a remark.
What snide remark set Ridgeway off?
I didn't see the blood on the coach but was told. I left immediately after so didn't see what happened on court 2.
A coward punch is when someone is hit unexpectedly and unprepared.
It would all be on video so need to make anything up.

Is there a time frame on the report being filed? Will BSA botch it with admin?

Bottom line, it can't be determined who instigated the brawl by crossing the line first but both well & truly crossed the line.

Both need to be suspended. Not suspended sentences, but hefty suspensions. And the penalty should be in place before eithers next game!

I wonder if they give Hawkes weeks, will they allow him to serve them during summer season?

Again, how can it be lawyer city. West can only try for a stay in the proceedings, bsa's lawyers could fight that application. North or anyone else can't force a ruling body to have a hearing.
Surely by now there should be word if the matter has been referred to the tribunal, before anyone gets excited, has this been confirmed?

Switzerland-
Perhaps you could be a tribunal witness:

- "Had a good vantage point"
- North coach wasn't yelling-- are you saying you may have missed some snide remarks as players ran down court?
"was told drew blood" -Must have been a good vantage point?
"coward punch" - be careful with statements like that if you never saw the whole incident from your 'good vantage point'
"more drama on Court 2 but didn't see it"- sounds like info from a 'third party'??

Good to hear from a "Neutral observer" anyway

Have any reports been laid yet?

Wouldn't it be convenenient for BSA to have the referee to take their full four days to lodge the report which will mean a hastily convened tribunal before the GF or even better for BSA that they put it off till next week

I would not be surprised with anything which may happen now

Bottom line, it can't be determined who instigated the brawl by crossing the line first but both well & truly crossed the line.

Both need to be suspended. Not suspended sentences, but hefty suspensions. And the penalty should be in place before eithers next game!

I wonder if they give Hawkes weeks, will they allow him to serve them during summer season?

Who eyewitnessed the Court 2 after party? Please post!

OMG... *eats popcorn*

MOAR!

OMG... *eats popcorn*

MOAR!

Neutral observer, was an entertaining but horrendously officiated game.

I had a good vantage point to see the altercation. The North coach wasn't yelling or had been yelling at any west player during the game.
I have no idea why Ridgeway chose the North coach to insult and always poor form to rub it in the oppositions face when the game had just been decided.
Ridgeway came from 20 metres away and made a bee line to the North bench and directly into the North Coach's face and started yelling 'something you M...f...!' and was clapping in the coach's face and was in his personal space. The Coach was still behind the sideline and reacted by shoving Ridgeway. This wasn't what I would call a violent shove but it got Ridegway out of the coach's space.

If that was all that happened this wouldn't be an issue whatsoever but what happened next was the biggest brain fart I've seen in basketball since Damien Keogh head butted Steve Breheney.

Ridgeway inexplicably then gave the unprepared North Coach who had his arms by his side a solid right cross hitting the coach on the jaw, his glasses went flying and from what I was told drew blood.
Ridgeway then shaped up like a boxer while screaming at the Coach. Ridgeway was dancing in his boxing stance but by now was a few feet on the court.
With being coward punched and then Ridgeway shaping up the Coach stepped onto the court to defend himself.
Ridgeway was caught of guard as the coach gave him a solid UFC kick. This stopped Ridgeway cold in his tracks. The North Coach could easily have kept going as the kick took the wind out of Ridgeways sails but to his credit didn't continue.
There was more drama on court two but didn't see what happened.
Both definitely should be suspended but believe the tribunal should consider the Coach was defending himself against a coward punch.
If anyone saw it differently I would be very interested to hear! Surely it must be on video.

Kind of ironic now when you look back on it that the Men's Referee of the Year was sitting in the crowd watching the game and not on the court working it. Really shines a spotlight on the appointments.

you 100% agree with the initial poster because it was probably YOU who posted it in the first place...sheesh

Both actions are way out of line & both need lengthy suspensions.

I've got an idea.

A coach regardless of any taunting just can't step onto court and push a player

Under ANY circumstances

I agree it was lucky more didn't happen on court 2 when your Coach threw a chair at Ridgeway after waiting for him there.

But you can be a bigger man and ignore childish taunting. Hawkes chose not to and the rest is as they say history.

Anon above. You have no idea. You can be in someone's face taunting and coach can be not in court. Just coz the player is in his personal space doesn't mean he is on court or not. It was lucky there was not an all in brawl on other court potentially including others.

You don't have to be a big man to take the first swing or to jump into a player who has stopped playing when the whistle blew.

How can a player be in a Coach's space on court? Impossible.

Coach escalated the issue the second he stepped on court

Provocative on a dunk? The game was over-flowing with 'provocative' behaviour if that's the case

Even if the coach did run on the court to provoke it (not how it went down, at all) swinging & connecting on a punch to the face is going to be a hefty suspension.

Both

Ridgeway ran the sideline, with 10 seconds left knowing his team is going to the final...
North Coach initiates contact, steps accross white line, onto court... and then gets swung at.

Who is at fault... player or coach?

I'm a west supporter but he should have walked away instead of allegedly throwing a punch. If he gets rubbed out then it's his own fault