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U12 B Div 1 Norwood losing all their points

Threat606

You say most of what #914 is fiction which suggest some is factual. What elements are fact as the rest of us can only but speculate

Anon 914

Most of what you posted above is pure fiction.
On forums such as this healthy debate is fine, but the problem with making stuff up is that those with no knowledge of the situation may choose to believe it.
It's not hard to work out who you are based on some of the lies you told in that post and some of your others above.
All I will say is that someone like you should know better. Be very careful making statements that are easily proven to be false, but of course someone like you should know that.

Phase V would make a great politician with those responses !!!

Phase V, just goes to show you're ignorance about non existent meeting, happened on Tuesday night a few weeks back. Gotta give you props for backing up your club but find out facts. Excuse for missing registration was moving to ARC. As of a few years ago the coaching director had been to zero trainings apart from his own and pocketed the cash then had a dummy spit when div two coach was named that he didn't like so stopped coaching.
Div three and under were told that the club were not supplying coaches and parents had to do it, ridiculous. Of course it happens at most clubs but for it to be a policy just shows arrogance. Div ones are a mess, desperately trying to poach kids for older age groups as they haven't developed their own, one div one coach tried to return to old club saying he thought it would be different at Norwood then posted that he was proud of players loyalty at staying, despite being rejected by old club. And coaches that were recruited are rejects from other clubs, most of better coaches left just due to terrible politics there.
Arc has been complete debacle, supposedly top stadium in state but three of five courts totally undersized.
Kevin Brooks leaving after one year with frustration at how amateur the club is run is an indictment of where club is, apparently no interest from any new clubs with seniors run by couple of old guys and nothing much behind them.
Keep saying your the biggest club in state, doesn't mean you're the best by a long long way.

Trolling a club? i have plenty of positive things to say about junior basketball in SA and almost every other junior club. Norwood is a horrendously operated club -
FACT. Norwood does what Norwood wants. Kids playing for that club are at a disadvantage and usually don't realise unless they are lucky enough to reach NITP etc and learn through mixing with other kids at other clubs and meet the coaches, Norwood refuses to teach juniors to play the nationally recommended way or listen to any feedback given by someone like David Ingham who sees potential and recommends how it can be developed for the child's future.

The arrogance of so many of the influential people is alarming which was shown nicely by the lack of representation at the last president/coaches meeting. The arrogance is directly affecting the kids and the men sitting atop the tower give zero sh*&s.

Ask the president to name some kids outside of 14 boys. Ask him how many junior games he has gone and seen this season. Ask the VP, heck ask the JDO he wont know either.

Karma, arrogance by Norwood has long been a staple, whenever another kid has asked for a clearance from another club they normally get it within a few days, Norwood wait the full 14 days to teach the kid for leaving, have been in the office when that has been mentioned before. Think they are above law so bsa have thrown the book. At recent president /coaches meeting they were only ones not to send representative.
Biggest club and highest fees but kids in lower grades are forced to have parents coach and last seasons results in div one were very lacklustre, going backward with Norwood!

Phase V - even a 1951 Hillman Minx runs smoother than Norwood

Notice your deliberate avoidance of the ugly truth at the bottom of my post and YES i know for a fact it is an issue as a few of my close friends ended up walking away from the club due to the bulls*&t

I have no clue how the by laws work!? seriously! what is actually wrong with you? Norwood avoids ME like the plague? why on earth would i contact Norwood?

Phase V are you 15?

Truth is: Unfortunately for your club, s&^t has hit the fan and you can't hide 100 problems at a time with excuses. Families are about to leave in droves. Learn from it and fix it for the kids that stay.

Working for BSA? hahahahhahaha. Ok Phase V. ok. My opinion backs up BSA's findings so i must work for them? err no, i am just logical.

Norwood does NOT have many good nor skilled people in admin, in fact for 6 long months they had NO ONE and if there was someone actually holding that title they don't know how to answer a phone or respond to emails.

Forgotten, your points are pretty valid but i do not agree it is up to BSA to check on clubs or scoresheets.

Phase V thanks for the history lesson.

I certainly can't ever remember an 'anti-Norwood' post

Although your ridiculous registration costs for Easter Carnival could be a great starting point.

I really don't care if it's Sturt , Tigers , West or Woodville. Just do your due diligence on player transfers and don't squeal on here when the governing body catches your hand in the cookie jar!

I'm off to troll elsewhere, you're an easy mark.

Anon,

Any club can find themselves in this kind of situation unintentionally.

Not all new players know that they need a clearance and don't necessarily mention that they have played district basketball previously. How can a club know if they aren't told by the new member or BSA?

For some they have played multiple years previously and are completely unaware that there is in fact a clearance process.

It is also possible that player name spelling can be different due to some kids using their preferred or nickname when young, or input errors with information online or by clubs.

Unless BSA can take the lead and meet their responsibilities there will consistently be these kind of issue from multiple clubs.

If BSA have not been doing updates and checks on a regular basis, there is a great possibility that a number of clubs are playing ineligible players for any number of reasons.

These are good points Forgotton, however i simply don't agree that many clubs are in this position. Clubs like Sturt and Forestville

When a new player joins a club there is a process within the club which identifies them as new - registering with the club internally, ordering uniforms, being assigned a players number all of these things are indicators the child is new. The problem with Norwood is they became too big too quick and two admin people left due to internal CRAP and owed money - so with no admin. No admin means no one is across a player transfer properly and isn't there to ensure the transfer has been completed by the rules.

It is nice that BSA used to look through score sheets and notify teams however it is up to the organisation AND the parent to complete the transfer properly and ensure that email/letter has arrived before putting that child on the court.

Maybe someone should steer the competitions manager to the players lists at that particular club so they can unearth the other dozen players who played uncleared in 2016/2017.

BSA have a simple way of dealing with this.

They have been able to roll out the use of Stadium scoring at each venue and then at each game players can only play if registered with the club. Otherwise they would be notified and the issue would be quickly fixed. This has not occurred and BSA now don't even bother checking registrations.

In previous years a majority of clubs would have multiple player eligibility questions over the first few rounds of summer and winter after viewing score sheets. This would give clubs the ability to respond with name changes and/or correct registrations.

Expecting anyone in a club to manage 50+ teams, in some cases, is unrealistic without BSA working with the clubs to manage this process. This does not mean Norwood should not be held accountable, but I'm sure they aren't the only club in this situation over the past few years. Previously BSA would have notified them and the other clubs.

How an unregistered player slipped by BSA for State Champs is very concerning as the peak body should be responsible for making sure all players are eligible and have a process in place for this to happen.

Correction Norwood 12 div 1 came runner up at state champs.

Anyways, is what it is however BSA should have a look through all Norwood's new kids in past 12 months i guarantee there is up to 10 kids playing not officially cleared.

Phase V would make a great politician

everyone else's fault except his own..!

So they keep their State Champs flag but cant play finals in the regular...?

I believe Norwood div 1 boys in 12's may have finished 1st at state champs.. interesting.

Phase V - the player was rubbed out due to failing to register the player CORRECTLY which includes a clearance from the club he was already registered at, get it?

it is in no way BSA's fault, sorry.

All have neglected in some way to follow process. Parents may not be aware that clearances are needed if this is their first child and first experience at compettive sport.We didn't need clearances when I was a kid so I didn't know when we mived our kids. I asked questions, read the sites and that was the only way I found out So they may have an excuse if no one told them or asked for a clearance, but they are the ones who needed to send the email requesting the clearance as per process below, not the club. The clubs and bsa receive this then should process and inform all of successful or unsuccessful clearance. One issue can be if coaches who do not understand the process communicate with parents giving the wrong information bypassing the admin. However there should be checks and balances in the clubs and bsa behalf... it really is simple and about people asking questions and most of all Clubs and BSA need to have key information like clearance requirements as part of the registerion process for players and trial information.... Parents should have to site and tick and agreement with an automated process flagging those that don't provide a clearance letter/email.. unfortunate for the kids.

CLEARANCE PROCESS AS PER BSA WEB.
Introduction

A player who wishes to transfer to or from a club in the Basketball SA District (Junior, Youth League, Senior or Central ABL) Competition must receive a clearance before doing so. The clearance process differs depending on whether the clearance is:



local (ie between two clubs in the Basketball SA district competition)
intrastate (ie one of the clubs is in the Basketbal SA district competition and the other is elsewhere in SA)
interstate/NBL/WNBL (ie one of the two clubs is in another state or is an NBL/WNBL team)
international (ie one of the two clubs is in another country)
Local Clearances

For transfers between clubs within the Basketball SA district competitions, a clearance must be applied for via an email or letter to the club secretary of the current club. This email must mention the player's name and the club to which the player is applying to be cleared. If the application is via email, the Basketball SA Competitions Manager (mluksa@basketballsa.com.au) should be copied on the email.

The club must respond within 14 days, either granting the clearance, or providing a reason why the clearance cannot be granted. The only legitimate reason for not granting a clearance is if the player is not financial with the Club or holding club equipment.

Where did they finish? If they placed do they have to give up their trophies?

So the player played in state champs?

god, the more i read your post Phase V the more annoyed i get "BSA failed to follow up" lol, are you serious?

If Norwood operated professionally they'd know the clearance hadn't arrived and they would in turn make a call and send an email to query the status of the clearance.

Also: registering a player for tournaments has zero to do with clearances to play for a new club.

Phase V - The process to clear a player is not difficult.
If BSA did not send a confirmation that this child is cleared from their old club to play for Norwood, they can NOT play, even if Norwood "THINKS" they registered them.

this clearly didnt come through and how would Norwood know anyways, no one is in the office to see anything that comes through or doesnt come through.

i know of 3 kids who were told just the past few weeks they were not cleared to play for Norwood (in lower grades) This is a CLUB PROBLEM not a BSA problem.

I would without question be going after BSA on this one . How does a peak body allow a club play an unregistered player for 12 weeks !! That is an absolute disgrace , we missed finals after playing norwood 2x and removing them didn't help. Surely BSA should 'Ve picked this up earlier. Obviously norwood are at fault and should be penalised but really where is BSA's responsibility in all this.

" they paid a scout to attempt to film their first opponent at 14s next month in Rockingham from WA "

Not certain what this anon is saying here, That would actually seem to be a good thing IMHO I went to just about 80% every U14 championship for close on 15 years, the strong clubs ( usually vic ) were ALWAYS present scouting the other interstate clubs during the week, and by the end of the 15 years most of the stronger & better organized clubs were video taping as well. To in 2017 to be arranging to game tape of your apposed prior to their first game at the tournament would just be good sense to me.

the only teams that never scouted were the ACT and NT Girls.

Always remember Sturt getting jumped by the ACT in both of their first pool games and going down to the ACT. They then met the ACT for the 3/4 playoff (?) and slaughtered them by 70 points, but should have made the 1v2 , and would have if they had remained undefeated in their pool

Haha it would seem nothing is sacred at Norwood after they paid a scout to attempt to film their first opponent at 14s next month in Rockingham from WA. Are there just no morals in that club at all? After the scout was told he couldn't videotape, he was seen feverishly taking hand written notes for most of the game. Not sure of the attempted outcome though, as it's definitely given the WA boys so ammunition and motivation now for their first up game in Dandenong.

I'm not surprised one bit, and also have been caught out playing unregistered players during season in other grades too, and they just get a slap on the wrist! I believe they have players unqualified playing finals too. They just don't seem to care about the rules. BSA should start coming down even harder on clubs that just completely ignore the rules. Increase the fines dramatically or not allow them to field a team in their top division the following season. If clubs are continually breaking the very clear rules maybe BSA need to come down harder.

If the coach was a volunteer they probably would not be asked back to coach.
The coach was the JD so you would think this would affect his employment!!!!!
It may be the biggest club but that does not make it the best by any means.
It needs new leadership. I have seen good teams lose games by being to arrogant and norwood need to pull it head out of its arse stop trying to be the biggest and start showing loyalty to its junior players and only then maybe it could be a great club
Very frustrating club at the moment.
I would like to see at the very least an apology on the club website by the JD
The u12's div 1 presentation will be interesting

Nearly all clubs poach, that's fact, whether it's kids telling their mates, or nitp coaches telling them to come to their club to get more opportunities.
What other clubs don't do generally is walk up to a kid and parents directly after game and say come over, I guarantee you div one. Even kids that are lower grades are told come over and you'll play ones and then get stuck in even worse grade than when they started.
Bsa really need to step in and sanction certain people, everyone knows who they are.
And shut up Carlos, you just want the notoriety but have no clue.

I can assure you there is no envy.

the kids are great, the parents of that club are great, the management sucks.

You know full well this happens at other district clubs and yes coaches often approach players from other clubs to single norwood out in this is ridiculous- not saying I think it's right either but it's common place . There is always some sort of contact point through school or other social team that initiates change. And anon do you think coaches have not be poached away from norwood with the promise of getting a state gig - check your facts ! And labelling the girls coaches as 2nd rate is pathetic. It sounds to me like norwood is perhaps out growing its numbers and doesn't necassirly have the management to deal with out but plenty of these comments are just hate and envy.

The reason Norwood juniors keep getting mentioned on hoops is because in the last 12 months there's been a mass exodus of good coaches, good admin people but the propaganda machine is wheeling and kids are joining for the stadium and promises that the norwood league is somehow a district style comp. I hear families say "oh my son joined norwood" thinking that they'd made a team yet only playing league vs 4 other teams of confused kids and parent. Cha Ching, take money, promise kids stuff you won't deliver.

Chew through coaches, chase medals in 2 age groups and boys of course not girls, give the 2nd tier coaches to the girls.... poach kids with promises and chew up and spit out kids who bust their loyal asses for the club.

Carlos: the process for achieving a clearance is simple and black and white. Child moving applies with their club as long as fees are paid this is simple as long as not mid season. Email goes out to their admin people and bsa - this is then approved or not. Child can not play until this is approved and have this in writing.

Norwood do this all the time so saying that the club is professional is cause for a lot of eye roll.

You would hardly put Norwood at the top of the player poaching list . Sturt have been front runners in that for years . Lets just accept the fact that juniors change clubs for better opportunities and stop the bullshit talk of inducements at a junior level . If people want to go to norwood just get over it .

Please try to make this a practical discussion (about processes and oversights) rather than a personal one.

inescapable logic

no clearance=no play

no excuses, no BSA bashing, no one else's fault but yours.

By all means badger BSA day and night to get the clearance, but there is simply NO excuse for suiting them.

That escalated quickly

What happens when so many kids get poached from other clubs, lose track of them. Ridiculous the audacity how it takes place, don't even try and hide it, if course it's not just Norwood, another club needs to fill a hole and goes out and recruits.
And premier men show up to tournament, don't watch games, rostered there to sell merchandise to pay for seniors then go.
That's what made Dee Oldham so great, not just on the court. Would show up Friday nights, talk to the kids and help them out. Worth weight in gold, true professional and every club would be lucky to have him. Starling, Ti'onna (sorry for spelling) goes to juniors as well I believe, can't say I see many others there. And clubs wonder about lack of interest, need to get these senior players out to create interest, like the boom days in the 90s.

I don't know that CD/coach knew that the kid wasn't cleared or registered or whatever. The issue is that they've had no one running admin for months and months. Just an assumption that things were done.

Loyalty at norwood ha ha ha ha ha nope.

PL players are loyal to the club I've noticed. Although breed no culture of loyalty with juniors, they do not watch juniors play, do not show their faces at games or tournaments just sprout their own agenda and expect juniors to come watch them play.

Anyway, it's sad. I'm sorry for these kids... it's a hard thing to explain. Money back, doubt it. They still played and that costs... they won't medal, which sucks - do they lose their state champ title? Didn't the 12 boys win that

norwood should have done some due diligence on the people they employed as coaching directors.

parents need to be aware of the dream sellers, just because people have come from a high level playing background, or from america, doesn't mean they are experts and can deliver what they are promising

Might have a lot of kids and I know div one isn't everything, but apart from these poor 12s and their 14s, they're terrible, finishing bottom in 18s, 23s and reserves.
And funny that a coach posted how proud that his kids were loyal when he approached his previous club a month ago asking to go back.

i can not understand why people are signing up their kids in droves there. #emptypromises

"biggest junior membership in the state" (but no one to actually run things properly)

Poor kids, what a joke.

#gobackwardwithnorwood

That does not sound great at all. Thanks and I agree, poor kids

Apparently got a kid from another club, "ahem", and didn't register him properly so the 12 games he played in were considered forfeits.
Really feel sorry for those kids, because of ineptitude of Norwood these kids are now bottom instead of playing for finals. Whoever stuffed it up should be sacked and kids ask for their fees and game payments back.

I thought this was pretty interesting...

On the Adelaide Now website, Boti's latest article (Found HERE) talks about discussions between the Adelaide 36ers and Mills, and the potential for him to play in Australia during the lockout.

This article has been picked up and posted by the SLAM Magazine team on their website:

SLAM Article Here

Now, we have all heard the rumours and discussions about the possibility of Patty Mills coming to the NBL (and more specifically, the Sixers) during the NBA lockout.

Do people think that an article being quoted by the team at SLAM Magazine helps to "legitimise" the rumours?
What are peoples thoughts on the chances of luring Mills to the NBL, even if he would return to the NBA as soon as the lockout ends?