Hoops

Diamond Valley join SEABL

Spear. NO better.

Not that bad imo.

Scherf
Wehrung
Magbegor
Gorman
Ayres
Gould
Smith
Whatman
Crupi

Is Joel Spear signed at DV? Is he better than he showed at Albury last year?

yes caps terrible. only team to beat perth in months

"Confirmed Zoe Carr Head Coach Diamond Valley SEABL Women."

"Looks like more W's for all teams all around. Winner, winner....Welcome DV"


Yes they will be so terrible with magbegor scherf and wehrung Ive got them pencilled in for zero wins

well Caps havent had much from these three, add to that a coach who was not exactly bagging the wins at Tigers last year, you may just have a few zeros to pencil after all lol

"Confirmed Zoe Carr Head Coach Diamond Valley SEABL Women."

"Looks like more W's for all teams all around. Winner, winner....Welcome DV"


Yes they will be so terrible with magbegor scherf and wehrung Ive got them pencilled in for zero wins

The coaches they have signed have proven results at others legit levels. I’m sure they will be fine.

you only have to look at who DV have as director of coaching to see why they choose such coaches to head their new elite programs lol...speaks volumes

Maybe too short now?

Short season.

Makes no sense actually as they already have two conferences which they have said will go next season and now they are increasing the amount of teams
If they split into two divisions as opposed to two conferences how will the division be selected and will it really then be any different to those in the lower division from BigV sc

Which makes the two division rumour sound legit, 10 teams per division = 9 opponents x 2 = 18 games/season. Also reduces the season which was another future goal.

So 20ish teams soon, therefore 19 opponents x 2 = 38 games a season. Not happening.

Confirmed Zoe Carr Head Coach Diamond Valley SEABL Women.

Alternate home and away every two seasons. They want to reduce the length of season plus add a lot more teams so it is the only way to do it.

They need the home away for each team

Why? Each team plays the other once.

thats stupid then if they want to increase the amount of teams yet not have the two conferences

Get rid of big v and scrap u20 vjbl and just have


Seabl-senior league (over 21)
Div 1
Sydney, Canberra, Albury, Bendigo, Ballarat, Geelong, Dandenong, Melbourne, Nunawading, Ringwood, Kilsyth, Frankston, Sandringham, Hobart, Launceston, COE.

Div 2
Smaller clubs.
Altona, waverly, Casey, Collingwood, hawthorn etc etc


Seabl-junior league (under 21)
Div 1
Div 2

Let them develop in youth league, this is the problem players want to run before they can walk

Many juniors simply aren't good enough to play in their clubs senior teams. And once finished age restricted basketball , players are competing with players several years older and more experienced, so there is simply not enough good players, and not enough spots. If a local player is GOOD enough, they will get a spot. Don't hand spots out.

@Reality - Saying people being are obsessed with senior teams being "home Grown" is not the issue CEO's saying that SEABL is a great "PATHWAY" for our juniors when in reality (no pun) no junior from the club has a chance in hell of playing!!!!

SEABL have two conferences, though Im sure I read they were doing away with that and making the season shorter, hope Im wrong, but if not that actually makes no sense if they are increasing the amount of teams, each team needs to play each other at least twice for H/A advantages, seems common sense is loosing ground at SEABL level.

it should be a system where those teams who consistently produce wins at BigvSC level can apply for consideration to move to SEABL, and those at SEABL level who constantly sit on the bottom can apply to move down to BigV sc or below

How many teams will be in SCM and SCW? Surely they need more than 9 in the top division??

I understand that. But with more teams the conferences may go by the wayside? I know other state leagues are looking at shortening season/amount of games.

They are split into two conferences anon^, not an issue...

Wow, an odd & high number.

But this may mean they play 18 times only, once per team? and then alternate home/away the next season. It would be a solution to a long season. Thoughts?

That would make it 19 clubs, not sure if every one has male/female teams, but currently 17 Associations/clubs.

So DV & Ringwood in SEABL = how many teams total next season?

I wouldn't agree that people are 'obsessed' with home grown players, however that is a much bigger consideration in country areas than in the city, where you can play at several Associations due to far easier logistics.

I guess to some degree I always tend to consider country and metro as one and that any rules or improvements need to suit the whole league, not just have a narrow minded approach such as has been in past decades.

Anon^, the home grown player retention issue can also be helped by the league, by implementing a rule that a certain percentage of the team must in fact be home-grown.

Also, your comment about the very top elite level of NBL/WNBL isn't quite the same as State level like the SEABL/BigV pathway.

All top tier national sport is now about drafting the best players from anywhere, not necessarily home grown, which is what should be driving the State level competition, even at SEABL level.

I know SEABL isn't a home grown league, but that doesn't mean it can't be slightly amended to suit the pathway.

I applaud clubs who have pathways that they actually do use for their players, ....but the truth is the very elite levels like WNBL and NBL rarely fill their teams with players who come through the ranks, you might get token players or ones who return, but not one team out their can say they are giving those opportunities to juniors that have come through, they are out to win and if that means bringing in imports and others from outside of the club then so be it.

#Flow, SEABL is not the place for young juniors to be pushing older more experienced players out of playing spots, this is the problem, if they were more focused on keeping them in age appropriate divisions imagine the strength they would have , but I get that at least having better pathway to aim for might be more of an incentive to stay at the club. By the way Rangers keep their SEABL for mostly Rangers, few if any haven't played as a junior at the club,they would also be one of the few that do channel one or two into their WNBL program but they dont always have them every year, and when you look at the percentage that actually get to a roster spot its not too many out of the hundreds that pass through the junior ranks of Rangers.

Here's the thing, I speak to many parents of young kids coming into a club for the first time. Basketball competes with many sports, so what will club officials say to these parents?

1. Yeah come play with us until your kid turns 18, then I'm sorry but you will have to leave and choose football/netball and just play domestic hoops with your mates if you want to stay with our club and still play basketball. But, if you are really good and come back from college or something we could have a spot for you, maybe!

OR

2. Come play with us and here is the pathway, VJBL is an option, then if you want to stay and work hard we offer YL Big V, also you can remain and continue in the BigV as a senior and we even have SEABL if you progress to that level.

I know not everyone wants to play at that level, but I can tell you that parents at least want to hear that there is options and a progressive pathway for their kids and as the kids grow, more of them will potentially choose to stay with the sport.

I applaud the Associations that are looking at improving their pathways, mostly because there are more and more kids that want to play, we just need to get the message out to them, in a positive fashion.

Play for fun first, but if you want to get serious stay with us, we can cater for you!

So Reality if we follow your theory of teams being dissatisfied with the quality of the competition, these same teams as in Melbourne and DV getting hammered and sitting on the bottom rungs of the sc comp, the way to fix that is to move those teams into a much harder competition

All that will now do is bring down the strength of SEABL , if BigV teams cannot secure and hold onto good players how on earth will they do that in SEABL when BigV actually offer more money to their players in most cases than they could get in SEABL

Unfortunately this will be a no win situation for either league, reducing numbers of inferior teams from one and pushing them into another only brings down the standard of the one those weaker teams join unless of course those clubs are going to buy an entire team of elite players, one or two mediocre imports from no name div2 colleges will not cut it

@Reality, I agree with your comments for the most part, however did the BigV bring teams in or did they just approve teams that wanted in at Champ level?

This may be semantics, but I feel the qualification for teams entering needs to be better monitored and properly assessed before new teams enter.

Even then, a team may be presented that looks great on paper and an Association may tick all the boxes, but it is later found that they are very thin and won't last at the top level, so moving down should not be looked at as a negative it should be an easier and more accepted process.

At SCM/SCW level it isn't always that most teams are not up to that standard either, it could be that the top teams are just too good or too stacked and should actually move to SEABL.

The fact that this pathway is now readily available and more options are there for clubs can only be a good thing, if managed properly, that is...

From what I have heard Zoe Carr was zero
Influence on the tiger girls. The club was happy for her to leave the club.

Also have to question the poster who claims dee butler is WNBL calibre.... on what do you base that ?

Her track record so far isn't reflective of that conclusion, just because someone was an ok player does not always transfer to being a high calibre coach

And now DV bring another coach that's way off the mark from being a SEABL level head coach right now , if in fact this rumour is true.

Zoe Carr. Press release. Carr has resigned
As Melbourne coach. Finished.

Ringwood to be confirmed within a month as also moving to SEABL

#646642 - Pretty fun post.
Having watched DV's SCM & SCW over the last few years the number of "fy in fly out" imports has gone up while the results have gone down, not sure how this qualifies as "people with amazing vision"

Sorry but the CEO is not responsible for the standard of team or the ability of the coaches who pick them.

If it's a bad comp it's because of who plays in it not who runs the whole thing

This is more to get away from Big V and that awful CEO rather than wanting to play SEABL. What else can clubs do if that CEO remains?

Zoe won't leave Melbourne Tiger after 1 year.
Wouldn't Dee Butler coach as she coached DV SCW this year??


Dee butler was abismal in SCW as a coach, same as she was for un19 Gems, if they are going to go to all the expense and pay big for imports and others to fill a SEABL standard team you would hope they would look to get a coach who could get the job at least half done.

So, Diamond Valley enter SEABL but are going to import most of their players.
Seems an expensive investment for a small gain.

Zoe won't leave Melbourne Tiger after 1 year.
Wouldn't Dee Butler coach as she coached DV SCW this year??

Yes. Zoe Carr. No idea.

I hear Ringwood is in the process of investigating entering SEABL although might not be able to get it done this year could be more likely 2019 season

Is there any truth to this?

Zoe Carr to coach the womens team.

"I'd say that if they go into SEABL, they will be stacking their teams with non-DV players. "

Love this quote DV already stacks its Big-V teams with "non-DV Players" both seniors and youth.

and some half decent coaches,problem is they didnt want to pay their SC BigV players , how the hell will they get decent imports, they dont play for nothing