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Ringwood to join SEABL

Plenty of junior domestic clubs are still charging around $100 per season.

All those having a go at AD seem to be missing the salient point here. If it is difficult to find the income to fund the rent, uniforms, administration etc of a basketball club, then adding 250,000+ to fund two SEABL sides (rather than 80,000 for two Big V sides) isn't going to make it any easier.
I sometimes wonder whether BA starts these posts to suggest that SEABL is really attractive, rather than the financial drain it actually is.

Hi Dane. we you play man. Awesome.

Ah AD, the oracle when it comes to junior basketball clubs. A good sausage sizzle could make $500.00. That’ll go a fair way to paying the $60-$80 per hour Melbourne clubs pay PER court to hire! Suppliers giving discounts? Which ones are those? Sponsorship “falls” off trees! Come to my club AB, we could use you.

AD you really don't know anything about running a club let alone a basketball club.
Rent free courts. rubbish.
Parents with businesses are probably a already donating hoods and services. Sponsorships, are like gold.
where do the refs get paid from?
how much are the subs for the kids. cost if uniforms sausage sizzles won't run a club for long.
How much tgo field a team week in week out ? let alone a $200k ++. Stick to what you know about bball. That is if thete is anything. you really are talking out of your arse now.

I would love to know which councils don't charge court hire. Because every council in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne does.

I have no effing clue on either the SEABL or Ringwood.
But just on the "must have juniors" debate.
Juniors is where the money is.
Running a successful junior sports club, you spend half your time fighting off various proposals from the seniors.

You can run a junior program for almost nothing. Councils often don't charge for venues or grounds, sponsorship is easy to come by, (especially from Parents with businesses) suppliers give discounts, (and provide sponsorships) and you can rope Parents in to fill all the vital functions, and a sausage sizzle is a gold mine.

Its meant to mean, that if they don't have the talent themselves, they'll have to take the players from current teams.
Thought that was pretty self explanatory.

I would be absolutely shocked if Canberra are still in SEABL next year.

plundering other teams?
what's that meant to even mean?
players play to represent their association surely.

yes the would have to have men's and women's sides.

I certainly know one former seabl club that doesn't see the value in re entering the seabl. They would rather use that money to continue developing their juniors and expanding into new programs.

Who are they going to get to coach?
A lot of people will be wary with the rate they have turned over their coaches since joining bigV.
Hard to think of any that left amicably. If there’s a pattern you usually draw your own conclusions.

So Casey are going to replace their entire current team ? (Men & Women?)
Are the Women entering too ?
Again, the question is, where are these players coming from ?
Take out the two import spots, there wouldn't be too many SEABL and higher quality players not already signed somewhere, which means if they're building two teams from scratch, it'll be recruiting from current teams, presumably in the area.


I'm all for them making the jump. Just wondering how they're going to be competitve without plundering othe local teams in the process.

Polk's back!!!

How confident are you of that?

Reality - "I don't understand the obsession with "we have to have juniors". I have no problem with this however what really gets annoys me is when your club promotes this and bangs on about it being a “path-way” but never (or rarely, with no court time) plays anyone from the club.
It is either a path-way or not

Re: reality and others
'Having the best possible team on the court each and every week' to what end. Having a SEABL team doesn't pull in crowds or sponsors- any sponsors that sign up do so on the basis of access to the club's database of members. Most of the imported players have no long-term relationship with the club- why would they as they need to earn the best living possible and would (rightly) move to do so.

But if you really want to be realistic, then let the senior representative teams actually be self-funding. By my most generous estimates, cost of $250,000, sponsorship of $50,000 (I said I was generous), average paying spectatorship of 200 people for 10 home games all supported by volunteer staff = door entry of $125 per person. Otherwise, the rest of us are subsidising your leisure pursuits.

So? You have to start somewhere.

So we get the typical situation where a small number of aspirational committee members and coaches will enter their club's teams in SEABL with the spin that 'we need this to give the juniors something to aspire to', and then promptly buy in players from other clubs or states, thereby reducing the opportunities for their own junior players, all while spending $200,000+ of the club's money to get into SEABL. The next stage will be that we need to spend even more to be competitive in SEABL.

So, if Casey are planning to get a brand new team for entering SEABL (Womens too if they join at the same time ?), where exactly do they get these SEABL quality players from ?

Their current roster is made up of ex Dandenong & Frankston SEABL players, so where do they get two brand new teams from ?

Actually, I didn't factor in the cash situation that much, interesting, yes well that would explain a lot...

Casey have more $$$ to fund the SEABL roster, the team that sits 7th now will not be the team next year. Ringwood I think already spend what they can.

Just a question, where is the support for Casey coming from?

Yes, great new stadium and a huge growth corridor, but men are currently 7th in SCM and women are a top team in D1, not SCW...

Ringwood's stadium not as good, granted, however men are top of SCM and women are thereabouts in top three of SCW.

It is Knox who I consider the best placed team to climb back into SEABL, to be honest...

2019 they would be the club having a look. Perhaps coming in at the same time and Knox rejoins.

Next season? Or the one after?

Stadium will meet SEABL requirements by start of season

Stadium will meet SEABL requirements by start of season

I was wondering the same thing about Ringwood's stadium. Small capacity and pretty tight at each end of the court too..

Really? Makes sense.

SEABL is heading towards a two tier league, There will be SEABL Division 1 and SEABL Division 2 with promotion and relegation.

Big V will merge Division 1 with State Champ to be effectively a third tier

Personally I think all wnbl and nbl teams should have a SEABL team as their development group, so their bench players can get some good court time under their belts, no imports , no starters allowed, it then also gives the DPS the opportunity, that would be a far better system to improve overall standard of Aussie players , added to that those clubs that can afford a couple of imports and half decent players , this would make for a good second tier development league all round.

There are two issues with this kind of club movement I think.

1. Doesn't the SEABL have an issue around venues and game presentation standards with these types of clubs?

I don't claim to be an expert on all SEABL venues but Dandenong, Kilsyth, etc have much bigger seating capacities and clubs like Hobart and Bendigo really appear to strive for a much higher quality of game presentation than a Ringwood or DV can possibly achieve within their stadiums. Are DV still playing on that main court at Greensborough?

If I was a SEABL club that had really put a lot of work into these sort of things I am not sure I would be that happy about small, poorly presented game venue coming into the league, it drags everyone down.

2. Does this Vic focus actually make the league less attractive - to players in particular?

It seems unlikely expansion for SEABL will come from SA or even NSW but since Brisbane left, there are now just 12 interstate teams. 4 of those come from Canberra, 4 from Tassie, 3 from NSW and 1 from SA. Of those the COE's participation is at times disrupted. If you are a Melbourne based team, you only fly twice these days... to Tassie and Canberra... although I have heard of Melbourne teams bussing it to Canberra.

Surely the relevance of the SEABL as a league is about geographical representation, which sets it apart from the State leagues (the interstate travel was seen as a selling point in the past). You can argue all you like that it is spread across five states (for women four)... but being even more Victoria focused cannot be great for it.

Will D league return next year?

From the people I have spoken to it is Ringwood is a question of 'when' not 'if' it goes to SEABL. It will be either next year or the year after.

I hear SEABL is also going to be starting D-League up again so will be a considerable exit of teams from Big V. Can any one shed some light on this?

Sorry Flow, but the SEABL women's teams are not ALL equal, in both conferences their is a very clear defining line between the top three or four teams, those regularly at the bottom like Albury, Frankston, Sandringham etc have a similar make up to BigV....one or two dominant players, another three or four ok players then really weak benches.

How BigV teams that are consistently struggling at that level can even get into SEABL is crazy, though I think Ringwood if any could make that transition well

I wouldn't have thought that'd be necessary for them Bear.

I say welcome to Ringwood, but hope they don't de-list their senior Big V team because of this decision.

Eltham?