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BigV 2018

Big V is yawn! Terrible Terrible league, poorly run talentless boring shit.

SCM is still a very good comp!

Obviously SEABL adding Melbourne and DV the last few years has diluted the available talent a little. But all in all still very good.

Big V need to be careful they dont lose any more teams to SEABL as that will impact the standard.

^^^ Appreciate the update ^^^

Definitely sounds like the Women's Comp needs more attention...

What's happening in BigV Land....

State Champ Men & Women have been really quiet as of yet....

Is the standard down on talent???

New Import D1W - Alyssa Bennett (Werribee)

http://www.bigv.com.au/index.php?id=755&tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2018&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=02&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=5404&cHash=8db27b484e23996eb37a55ffdf41dfb4

Travis Julien

http://www.bigv.com.au/index.php?id=755&tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2018&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=02&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=5403&cHash=fb267a7e6237def644da1a745531d193

Keilor SCM beat Waverly SCM the other weekend as well. Not sure what players were missing.

Jorden Page & Matt Donlan to Casey Cavaliers SCM

http://www.bigv.com.au/index.php?id=755&tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2018&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=01&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=5392&cHash=f03dacf2413c3608eb3cbaf21f76e84b

Western Port D1M & D1W have new imports

Dylan Travis & Attirah Munir

http://www.bigv.com.au/index.php?id=755&tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2018&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=01&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=5393&cHash=7ade914d66d593c9687b4ce1cc2ef083

Whats the latest around the league? BigV are slow with news? 2018 Draw etc...

Strange question on this thread. VJBL going into phase 2 of grading so your son has not made an U18 side for this season. Other option may be new club and VJBL U21 as this has not started. DP players train only and then sit on the bench so your son may be better playing Friday nights, no rush to make YL.

Not wanting to get into details .. but maybe I should have worded what I wanted an opinion on better.

What should be harder to make .....an 18/1s team with a good chance of making VC or a YL2?

More details Joe

Thanks for the replies thus far ... the plan was to do both ... but the junior option didn't pan out. Long story short.

You can be at two different clubs.
Play VC at one and then Big V at another.

Southern Joe would you not do both like most other DP !!

southern Joe ... 18/1 s with a possible VC club any day

Question...

if you were a player turning 17 next year ... what would be a better step..... 18/1 s with a possible VC club or a DP with a YL2 side?

SEABL plays a very important part in Australian basketball. It is clearly a notch up from State Leagues. Higher quality imports and generally better Australians. Gives a pathway to NBL and an opportunity for young or fringe NBL players to improve their games in off season. Australian Basketball is very strong and with only 7 Australian NBL teams there is a need for a higher level second tier comp. (every other serious basketball country has one or more ) Yes NBL does recruit from college but very few college players go directly to NBL. A number of very good Australians also don't go to college. Very few NBL players returning to Big V most to SEABL. The players know its a higher level comp. BTW if the Melbourne Clubs didn't want to invest in it they don't have to. They do because its a great competition. Yes it could be better.

HO, I will agree wholeheartedly that SEABL in its current situation is not serving its potential and purpose, that's obvious.

I guess we agree that it either expands and is developed into what it's potential should be and to that end I would support my theory, however if it is left statistical quo then yes, it could be scrapped in order to improve each State league.

The issue I would have then is that the result would likely be a very, very strong Victorian State league, compared to some less than average leagues in comparison.

It has to be decided, but who would decide it...?

Bear, the SEABL probably already is our second tier competition to the NBL. But there are still lots of questions to be asked about it.

It doesn't serve as a development league, if only that in a practical sense it doesn't operate at the same time as the NBL. Lots of people tout it as a devel league, but it just doesn't achieve much in that regard. NBL teams are recruiting Australians out of College now generally, not out of SEABL, so it isn't fit for purpose - as someone pointed out earlier this may be different for the women.

If we accept that as a basis, why do we need a costly interstate league as our second tier? Why not kill the ridiculous travel, and simply stage it as a 10 or 12 team Vic based league, where no air travel is required? That would also allow better scheduling, more relevant rivalries etc. Mid week games could be staged where venues allow (school holidays maybe).

Let Mt Gambier play in SA Premier and make that comp better. Force Tassie to go their own way. Force Canberra into Waratah, ask AW to change their name to WA and let them stay in Vic.

Why is BA even running it? It is at odds with BA's core membership as I have said here a few times as well.

Thanks Bear, is Gaff considered an import as I understood he was applying to be Aust Citizen.

Believe Corio Bay were chasing Gaff, so wait for that call to be made official...

Looks like Corio Bay by my calculations still has 4 spots to announce. Congrats to Rays on Bentley, Waisak great get from Supercats and Renteria from Hume. So who are imports anyone heard anything.

Casey sticking to their locals quota well

Just to clear something up, I am not saying SEABL isn't already our second tier national competition, I am suggesting it can improve and expand by taking on the best one or two teams from each State league as a good start...

Begin the debate my friend.......

BTW I meant pro-con list.........sorry!

HO, how are you mate, long time...........?

We can debate the financial benefits or lack there of for any sports and probably come up with an interesting pro-com list I reckon. Maybe you are looking at it the wrong way or too subjectively, but that's just my opinion, you have your own views which is fine of course.

I see SEABL as having the potential to be our winter season second tier-NBL competition, it just needs more support. I also see that if we could have a winter and summer national competition it could improve the promotion of the game and keep players in it at a higher level, create more pathways and generate more passion for the sport in general.

Those are just some of my reasons, off the top of my head that is.

It would be a good debate for us to have, discussing the value of the SEABL or a similar league, maybe a new thread even, :)...?

By the way mate, have a great Xmas and safe NY!!

Guys like Corey Standerfer, Justin Patton, Xavier Blount, Damon Bozeman, Deondre McWhorter - how good are they? Could any play NBL? Be effective SEABL imports? Or be ok in other state leagues QBL/SBL/ PL?

So you’re saying the better Big V D1 imports would compete in Premier League/SBL type leagues?

So Bear, why "should it be" that the top couple of teams from those other states compete in SEABL?

The SEABL is an over-funded cash drain, that produces very little. That is not to say it is a bad competition, it is not, but I as I have said many times here before, it actually doesn't achieve much, relative to the cost of competing and staging.

Many of the imports shooting percentages from SA Premier League wouldn't be tolerated at Big V level, some of them are horrendous, particularly from the foul line.

Starling was ok when played for Warrnambool D1M. One of their best players but a lot of players and imports in D1M were better.

No way is SA Premier League stronger than Big V Div 1.

I think Premier League in SA would be close to Big V champ & ahead of Div 1 Big V

Have there been imports or others who have played in both leagues recently? How was Starling in Big V?

It would be great to see the top two or so QBL, WA and other Sate league teams in SEABL, that is how it should be.

As for the BigV, I think it is probably the top State league in Australia, probably has the biggest depth of all leagues.

The best teams from the WA SBL would compete in QBL/SEABL also. But like the BigV the depth drops away FAST after the top 2 or 3 teams.

Really the discussion is that SEABL has greater depth in its league than any other 2nd tier competition in country.

The top 3 or 4 teams in QBL could easily compete and make finals in SEABL without question, then their quality drops away quickly the more you go down the ladder.

The rest of the other state league competitions are bordering on rubbish. Big V, Waratah and the SA premier league are not good leagues top to bottom. Premier league improved in 2017 after they removed some import restrictions.

Every league has some individual talent but anyone who says Big V is even close to SEABL across the board, top to bottom is seriously deluded.

Good to see a stud like Thoseby who averaged a healthy 18 ppg in Big V SCM tearing it up in the NBL at 1.3 ppg.

I'm not the butthurt anonymous poster throwing insults lol

^^^ coming from an anonymous post....the last few posts have been facts so no need to get butthurt...The simple thing is SEABL is not as elite as people think but neither is BigV...Talent across the board is down but Individual talent is there...

Yes and sooo many of those Big V players have had NBL careers similar to those of Redhage and Kelly. The simple fact that players like Luke Egan (lovely bloke but he is in his 40's) can put up 40 points in a SCM game and ave close to 18ppg is an indication of the level of Big V.

Heck Sobey went back to Warnambool (Div 1) in 2016 when he hardly played for the 36ers and nearly averaged 40 ppg. Big V has and always will be trash.

If you back and see how teams have gone when stepping up, most have been fine. They add a few pieces etc and do well with their core.
McKinnon made a gf within two years of going up with core pieces from their d1 team. Made finals in first season.

It's mainly about signin good imports and the club being committed long term. Whittlesea won d1 a few years ago to get promoted but one year after the coach leaves and they have been relegated.

Anon 312

Absolutely, and like someone already mentioned most of those guys have played SEABL AND SCM and averaged good numbers in those leagues.

^^^^^^Excuses...They just don't want to be seen losing to BigV teams because they will lose credibility.....There are heaps of players from the BigV Level that have went on to play NBL...

That's because the SEABL teams don't care about betting Big V teams in the pre-season. It's like big brother beating up on little brother.

Could any of those imports from SCM or D1 play SEABL?

I agree ^^^

Dante Exum's brother playing for Whittlesea.

Anon 308 so you think those D1 guys could compete in Champ? Have any champ teams picked up some of the better D1 imports?

Dylan Travis has signed to play in the BigV. Not sure what team but here are his highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qil4sXTmJTo