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Basketball WA SPP U18/U16

Wow!! This KC guy must have a really great knowledge of basketball to be able to judge/denigrate a coach as he has. Perhaps KC could put up his basketball credentials for us to judge. A personal attack on BC like this on here really shows KC to have no balls.
PS. I don't know BC and have had nothing to do with anything he has done.

It’s good to get a response, however please allow me to retort.

Don’t bitch to me about your wage or lack thereof. Feel free to disappear if you don’t like it. I think you are grossly overpaid as it is. Let’s be honest, you only feel this way because you cannot game coach and aren’t good enough to coach seabl or nbl level. That’s why they pigeonhole you in a place you hate. You have reached your level of incompetence.

You say that “so called expert coaches do nothing”- who are you referring to? Do you even know who or is this another generic lash out? I know of a coach who regularly attend practices with overseas professional teams and NCAA colleges and learn more about the game in several hours than you will likely ever know in your lifetime. And yes they coach wabl. These are professional coaches on the world stage not “so called experts” they are learning from. They are not frustrated Aldi workers either which is saying something isn’t it? I do not consider you a professional coach.. far from in fact!

The condescending tone from above would be acceptable if this was a coach with achievements and accolades but we are talking about an administrator with a personality problem, no more.

Truth be told, could he even coach in the wabl and be considered amongst the elite? The jury is out for mine and I can only judge from the quality of what he is teaching the kids, again quite backward on the world stage.

A few people on here need to realise a few facts about the constraints that BWA operates under, these are:


1) Court Space and cost of hire. Yes BWA are a tenant of Bendat but the operating costs of the venue mean that the domestic competition, wildcats, Lynx bookings take up court space, so running SPP 2 hour sessions twice a week cant be done. Court space across metro WA is an issue.


2) WA is the biggest State. We have nearly 50% if the SPP athletes come from regional WA. To have Country come into the city during weekdays is impossible so the only way SPP camps can be run to have all players together is weekend camps (5 hrs per day). You will find this happens in regional Victoria SPP camps as well. 


3) BC can only choose from the coaches that attend SPP and apply for State Teams. These coaches may not be the ‘best’ in WA but they are the volunteers that give up to over 150 hours of their spare time to try to improve your child whilst the so called expert coaches sit back and do nothing. How about some appreciation to the coach that you are not paying for.


4) The WABL competition is 10 years behind every other state in its grading. We are beginning to catch up but WABL needs to be elite where the best play the best in weekly competition. This has not been happening with blow out scores in many age groups.


5) BWA only has 1 high performance Manager. BC works over 50 hours a week including many weekends to teach your child on a wage that you could get from Aldi! Tell me would you do his job for that? SA has 3 HP coaches for metro and country regions.  Would you be happy if we increased your childs WABL fees to bring on another HP coach?


6) WA state teams are at a disadvantage. All other states (except NT) play each other in prep tournaments prior to Nationals, this is a significant disadvantage in getting quality lead in games as well as scouting and performance identification. Parents complain about the current costs of the State program let alone add a further $3k to total.


WA Basketball is what it is due to the poor WABL competition structure previously, lack of real competition and parity in the WABL leagues and our lack of exposure to other states. Brett has done an amazing job and some people forget the state it was in prior to him coming over. We have more National athletes than ever before in Australian camps. Brett has a big say in this, working in the background with Australian coaches to promote WA athletes.  He also helps many kids get identified at the college level.


So perhaps parents should direct their frustrations to your local association and ask them what are they doing about the development of their coaches so as to improve the standard of WABL. WABL players are just not as talented or competitive across the board compared to other states.  Better coaches = better skill development = better competition.  This is not the HP Managers responsibility to upskill the local WABL player or the local WABL coach.

My point is that the SPP provides a stage setting on which these athletes get noticed by AIS, etc. This in itself is a good thing, but let’s not confuse developing players with dressing them up, showing them off and claiming credit for the skills and abilities..

Please..

metro men should be top 3 u18 and u16 2018.

Ducas: Born and bred Geraldton product. Key influences would be his old man who's one of the better coaches up there, Scott Rubery, Ray Evans and Mark Heron when he was development officer and buccs head coach up there. BWA had some influence sure, but not as much as these four would have had in getting Alex to Canberra
Grida: Coach's Oatman and McCormick get all the plaudits here, much more than any state team
Beard: Two brothers who are SBL players as well as Utley, Samuelson and some good coaches down at the Flames. Again, not a huge BWA influence

We get where I'm going here. General consensus if you ask half the parents involved with SPP or FDP in this state is they aren't fans of Brett for various reasons, or that as mentioned a couple times earlier in this post that the five hour training sessions are not just ridiculous compared to rest of the world practise, they are downright dangerous. Cute how Tyrone jumps on here to indirectly stick up for BC whilst trying to turn the conversation away from him or his purple circle coaches, of which we know you clearly are one of. If WA don't medal next year at more than one tournament, surely those on the BWA board will see it's time for a change and a new high performance and development direction, as the current regime just is not working

Two of the best ‘04 boys were injured & pulled out

5 of them made it.

How come half the 2018 southern cross 04' boys/girls aren't on the list?

U16SPP mainly for 03' athletes?

The players you mention above were not developed by the SPP program. You are taking due credit from their clubs and coaches.

IMO the best indicators would be a combination of both player development and coach development.
This could only be assessed by someone independent who has been around the program for some years and has really good basketball knowledge and experience.
There will/has always been disgruntled parents and players. There are also coaches around these programs who will never be up to WABL standard let alone anything higher. But .... they are all volunteers. There are times when the crop of SPP coaches is not strong. That's life.

Having been in the WA coaching System, parents have to realise a few facts about the constraints we have in WA compared to other states. These are realities:

1) Court space and cost is a huge issue at BWA yes they have Bendat but the commercial costs mean that the domestic comp dominates the court usage. This means that SPP cant be run in 2 hour blocks x 3 times a week.

2) WA is a large region and SPP selects country and metro athletes. the SPP camps cannot be run during the week due to country kids driving in. So only result is 5 hour days on weekends. This is not uncommon in region Victory SPP camps. Should we just not select country athletes so you child can do a 2 hr session?

3) WA has only 1 High Performance coach for over 100 combined SPP age group athletes. BC works his ass off doing 50 hour weeks (and weekends) for a wage you could get at ALDI. Would you work for that? SA for example has 3 full time SPP coaches. So you want your WABL fees increased so we can add another coach?

4) State of WABL. We are 10 years behind every other state in its grading format where we have the elite play the elite on a regular basis. Its finally getting better and we are catching up. The high selection of WA kids into Australian camps have improved. But results will take some time.

5) Geographic location. All other states (except NT) in prep to a nationals tournament play each other at least twice. Imagine the benefits of that. Parents whinge about cost and there is no way we could add another $3k onto the budget to go to pre-tournament events. This puts teams at a great disadvantage, but it must be the coaches right?

6) Coaching Talent. Brett can only select coaches for his state teams from those coaches that turn up to volunteer at SPP and FDP programs. State coaches ( I mean volunteers) give up to 150 hour of their own time away from their own families. They may not be the best coaches in WA, but they are the ones that want to help your child get better. Not the coaches that sit back and say they could do better.

Brett has done an amazing job bringing WA development back into the picture. Those that complain forget what we previously had. Instead of whinging about BWA. Complain to your association about what they are doing to up skill their current coaches and grow new ones. An improved WABL competition is the only we will see sustained results.

F- for development of players , oh wait....... that would be except for Swaka Lo Buluk, Beard, Ducas, Grida, and Bowen all currently in the boys AIS Centre of Excellence or NBA Global Academy from WA.

What is the best indicator? Maybe the development of players? On that alone they all rank F-

Who's BC, TT or DD. All sounding bitter. Whilst I agree with Tyrone (ahh TT ?) regarding results not necessarily being the best indicator of progress I also have seen some very good coaches have very good results ie. G Gurr. M Keene etc. And like some of the current coaches, these guys did not have the cattle either.

Given how they like to run gruelling 5 hour sessions contrary to best practice guidelines worldwide.. if one of these athletes suffers a serious injury does this make BC and these so called “fountains of knowledge” legally liable in a court of law?
Surely they have a “duty of care” towards their athletes or run the risk of being sued.

100% agree with KC, the state team process is just a glorified schoolyard popularity contest whereby BC picks and chooses by way of lips to ass, whilst he makes inappropriate comments for example about some other coaches and players physical features, to any one who will listen and boost that previously mentioned ego of his - Is this what we as a state want from the person in charge of our elite athletes? One only has to look at next year's appointments to understand where the logic is at. After using Andy's offenses to win a bronze two years ago, the 16s coach was found wanting on home soil this year yet is rewarded with the same age group again in 2018. BC clearly rewarding mediocrity as TT is one of his favourites along with DD previously with the 18s, what happens if he fails again next year in Queensland? The non-results are clear for everyone to see BC, how long before the frat party for a HP program is finally given the new breath of fresh air it so desperately needs?

The SPP programs, whilst good in concept are quite backward on the world stage. They talk of “downhill” basketball and show their kids “uphill” action in plays. Talk about hypocritical!

99% of coaches who go thru the program are complete flops, are exploited at both wabl leve and sbl level (if they even make it). This is not helped by the fact they have no interest in assessing who the best coaches in WA are, rather judge their merit by who kisses BC ass the most. This leads to utter failure later on as the knowledge is not there. Over rated and under delivering is the constant theme for 25 years.

If you are a player, forget about it and go play NCAA ball for real development .

The fact the SPP coaches get regularly punished at wabl level show the evidence they are terrible and the dregs. Speaks for the quality of BC- just judge the (non) results

Who's the girl in the u16 program that's quick and shoots the ball like lonzo ball from the hip?

Not true Luke.

The NITP list is picked FROM the SPP list.. so all athletes are already on those lists at the top of the thread.

So where's the nitp list?

Spp is a program UNDER Nitp. Settle down muppets

Not one wa team boys or girls made it into the u14 club champ finals, top 12.
Not good,

Boys look strong.
Got to be worried about the women's program in Comparison to the other states.

Vic and qld are unbelievably deep in this 03/04 age bracket.
Nsw men, sa men also very strong.

a couple of boys and a few of those scc girls.

Who is missing?

Kallum Penn (injured U16 bottom ager)

But that's it..

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18 years in the NBA
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Won an NBA award
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