Hoops

Sydney @ Cairns , Dec 2 - 5:30pm AEDT

Whatever the excuses are, JVG's philosophy of waiting to pounce on bargain talent hasn't really worked too well. Maybe he drives a hard bargain, who knows? From the sounds of it, he has a pretty big shopping list every season but its never smooth sailing getting the right players.

Sure last season was going to be challenging taking over a new club, but there was still plenty of time last season to find a replacement for Mirko Djeric. Who did they settle on? Dion Prewster? And that took a few games into the season to finalise.


Onto the Newls thing...

Gaze tried to pull Newley close to talk , but Newley said ; ' I don't care.' and walked away...
He is beginning to show signs of a man who does not care..

The way its set up looks like a revolving door.

Randle & Pineau both have an option for next season.

Well I heard there's an option with Randle, not sure if its team or player. Pineau signed for 2 IIRC? But doesn't look like there is much quality to retain for 3rd year under new regime, unless multiple imports return. The way its set up looks like a revolving door.

And that example of what Camel 31 observed between Newls and Gaze is the prime example of why a change needs to be made ASAP...

I agree with those saying that Newls isn't at his best and has passed his peak playing skills, but when focused and motivated, he's still one of the best slashers in the game... His sitting back and launching ill-advised 3s is mostly in part due to Gaze not having any proper plan which adds more onto the losing faith issue...

We've got three players contracted for next season... Lisch, Newls and Blanchfield... While losing Todd wouldn't be a huge loss (unless he comes back after that head knock with a new on court personality and skills) and you don't want to alienate the two most high profile and also put off the other key players we want to retain (I still think Cadee is worthwhile when used properly and he puts the effort in) as well as not wanting to look like a fucking nutbag organisation, which we do, AGAIN, with the aim of recruiting future players...

Camel31, I think that was sarcasm from Anon #660228.

Well , that is what he said......
The way he played reminded me of Gibsons last games here with the 36ers.. mind was somewhere else...

Newley and Blanchfield in the corners ain't scaring anyone, both have been shooting threes but not many going in.

Yes , Wookie . Gaze tried to pull Newley close to talk , but Newley said ; ' I don't care.' and walked away...
He is beginning to show signs of a man who does not care..

I was watching on delay and only made it into the 3rd quater before stopping because I had stupidly loaded the NBL app to check the ladder and I ruined the score for myself (NBL ap hiding scores as default is another annoyance for another time) but there's not much to dispute here...

Refs were awful from the start and I agree that shit calls at the start (of any game, not just this one) has an outcome of the game in general, but the real reason why the Kings lost was that key players went missing and the Kings were a complete fucking shambles from the start... Once again Newls goes missing and this time Cadee as well, as at least other times he's shown some passion for it even if his shot isn't dropping, but this game it was all just a disorganised mess of disinterest and only Tyler and Randle were worried about putting points on the board... It was like a different team to the one that was on show the first half on Thursday and I'm really at a loss... I know Perry was missing, but that shouldn't have such a terrible impact on how the team is run...

Once again Gaze is back to his old tricks... Tyler on a run and not in foul trouble (at the time) and gets subbed out... It's like Gaze had money on the Taipans covering the spread or something... It's clear (yet again) that he's lost the playing group... There's something up with Newls and every time I see Gaze pull him close to talk to him I get a really bad vibe... A shit coach, can't manage the team and needs to be given the arse, I don't care if he was the NBL goat and every piss poor performance he gets out of this team just stains his legacy...

Like Angus said above, at least such a terrible win/loss might actually force SOME sort of change, but the way this team is being run, I seriously doubt it... Gaze won't give up this big pay cheque and JvG doesn't have anyone to replace him with that will save him from losing his job as well... At least my bet on the Kings to get the most losses is still alive with BrisVegas winning...

Hmmm I never wrote "avoid". My argument revolves around arbitration, yours on legality. Two different things with possible different outcomes.

/terrible referee.

I didn't refer to any specific call or calls. What made you think that I specifically implied both Garlepp's and Randle's shouldn't be called?

Anyone know what Toni Caldwell was doing on the stats bench tonight? Training the new refs? Hope she had a lot of space in her notebook...

A little birdy told me that someone cut and pasted my comments into their facebook comments... stop it mr. J! That's plagiarism!

Refusing to call something because it's late in a close game affects the outcome of the game. The ref's calls didn't affect the outcome of the game, Garlepp and Randle did.

Clearly, I'm struggling to type "the" tonight.
Sorry, should have spell checked before posting.
;D

The refs were dreadful all over the court tonight. They did not affect the outcome of the game, that was down to some good execution by the Taipans, and Randle deciding he was the only Kings player likely to score (possibly not wrong).

Possibly, the Kings players have lost faith in Gaze. Definitely, Gaze has no faith in his players. His panicked timeouts every time Cairns made a run show he doesn't believe his guys can geff thd job done. Fearne, on the other hand, sits back, knowing his guys understsnd his system, and trusting them to right the ship.

Good win by ghe Snakes, tonight.

Its already an ugly low scoring game to watch and the refs need to understand that they need to temper the calls to make sure that they don't affect the outcome of the game.

(And they are a bugger to photograph, too :) )

Why dont Cairns just wear grey uniforms at home? The refs do and they’re all on the same team anyway.

The black uniforms are something we do every season in aid of the IFYS Foster Care organisation, and black is their base colour for their logos etc. They were auctioned off after the game, all were sold (even ones for players that weren't playing - Jawai, Carrera, Weigh). I think the highest price was just under $2K.

You may not like them, but IFYS sure can use the money.

"Even Superman was brought up by Foster Parents"

http://www.fostercare.com.au/AboutUs/FosterCareNorthQueensland-420/

Oh yes the refs. Nothing will ever change.
Garlepp was great the other night and anyone that didn't see that game should STFU.
SteveK2 do you ever say "anyways" IRL?
JVG can now use the "we were undermanned excuse" of course. Sad, sad days for the once great Kings.

His name I think was Pineau, did ok today but been very average so far.

Very impressed by the Kings rookie whose dad played for the Tigers but name I didn't recognise

His rotation wasn't perfect but I thought it was pretty good considering his track record, early foul trouble for Tommy and Newley playing absolutely shitehouse tonight.

There wasn't much he could've done to 'step on the throat' when Tyler's the only that fired all night long. There was no one else to spell the starters and preserve their foul counts. Just one of either Newley or Cadee had to step up early offensively to backup Tyler and Randle. Cadee got a free pass from me since he did a decent job on Gliddon, its Newls that was atrocious.

Thoseby is pretty much done IMO. He's recruited for his perimeter and scoring prowess but he hasn't adjusted his game upwards to NBL standard. It'd be a toss-up between him and Singh to get the axe when Lisch comes back.

Oh, and the 20 years comment was Tyler saying he's been playing overseas for 9 years, so he knows what's going on.

He said "Hey, it's a home game for them ... " which is what triggered the cheat comment from the ref.

Yeah Tyler looked good. I think the "avoid foul at all cost" style of defense he's playing is going to hurt us, but the shot blocks and work on the other end should end up as a net positive.

As bad as I thought the refs were, the real reason why we lost the game was down to Gaze's rotations again IMO. Cairns couldn't buy a basket early and instead of putting our foot on their throats Gaze starts throwing in youngsters.

Thoseby was also a -12 in his 10 mins on the court and was being targeted as much as Singh does when he's on the court. He's just not ready, don't throw him out there, especially when we can't afford a single loss at this stage.

Oh well. At this point I think a poor win/loss record is a positive because it will force big changes to happen. At least Tyler will give us some highlights.

Anyways, you should be happy with how Tyler turned out AngusH. He's becoming more and more impressive with how he plays and controls his emotion. I think I had one eyebrow raised for most of the game waiting for the meltdown that didn't happen.

Even Gaze was calling the right things at the right time. I was flabbergasted for most of the game, looking at things that should be done, was actually being carried out for a change!

Having watched the clip a few times now, it was Bekker who actually prompted the talk with Tyler, who never called him a "cheat", but implied homecourt favouritism. As a referee you either tech Tyler for his first comment, or keep your mouth shut.

The biggest difference between the old regime during the golden era and this current one led by Butler is the lack of understanding by these shite refs on how to balance calling infractions and adding value to the competitive environment, i.e. no feel for the game.

Absolutely zero feel. You may spot a foul, you'd be right to call it, but do you have to call it or let it go? How will it impact the flow of the game? How will it impact the outcome of the game? Is it a make-up call because you misjudged the impact of your last call or you badly missed one that you should've made that everyone else in the building saw? Any of these things even flashes across these refs' minds? Highly doubt it.

Definitely the current everlasting scourge of our National Bush League.

Might've been a snappy comeback by the ref to Tyler re: the 20 years comment if he wasn't still awful at his job.

Refs wanting to be centre of attention. Please nbl tell them it's not. Commonsense.

Make up call.

Yep simply one of the worst officiating of the season, if not the worst. Scott Beker is doing a poor job leading his team and James Boyer needs to be disciplined for the multiple terrible calls.

Its already an ugly low scoring game to watch and the refs need to understand that they need to temper the calls to make sure that they don't affect the outcome of the game. That cannot be said for this game, their calls are determining quite clearly who wins the game and that's as bad as it gets.

Home cooking, absolute rubbish refereeing.

Surely if you have any feel the game / sport in general you let play go on and just give Garlep a shout out on the run to cut the crap

Tyler's a punk he should be fined for that.

Wow. That's a bad call at any stage of any game. Forget about the situation.

Dem black uniforms are horrible. Not dissing them if they’re for a good cause or similar, but nobody obviously thought it through having black numbering on a black main.

Thoseby a -12 on the court now, next worst is Humphries at -6.

I had no idea Fearne played in the NBL, lol

I'm guessing Thoseby must never miss in practice or something, because I'm not sure how else he still keeps getting subbed in.

Tyler finally on a roll. Subs out for no reason as mentioned by heal. Nek minnit, 9-0 run

Was Newley ever a good outside shooter overseas?

I feel like every three he'll put up is gonna brick

'Cairns uniform is terrible. Worst I've seen in nbl'

I dunno, from some angles it looks pretty badass

Tyler putting on a show!

When's the last time Loughton has ever driven from the 3pt line straight to the bucket I wonder.

Actually the Taipans blue uniform is even worse than this black one. The blue one is the worst I've ever seen in the NBL.