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Melbourne vs Sydney, Dec 11th

That's right. No foul there at all. Home cooking by the ref. Man, they should be held accountable.

Exactly what foul are you referring too?

SteveK2, well what about winning thirteen of their last six games. Could they do that?

Yeah lets not go down the slide tackle no call.

Any footage on youtube?

There's passion, something that Casey Prather and Russell Westbrook play with and then there's petulant whinging at every call that goes against them, something Tyler plays with.

God only knows what he'd be like in the locker room??

Players like that can only survive in a solid system's like Perth or Adelaide with tough coaches, not first time coaches like Gaze who seems to be spending more energy acting as a baby sitter.

Anyway, should make Sydney's game's more interesting if nothing else...

Sad, sad days indeed. They haven't even got a crumble in the.
Personally I think Lisch is over rated and if he comes back too early then he may well get hurt again. Equally he won't just simply dominate from his first game back. Match fitness will be the key to that.
Who else is there? Newley once a champ and not borderline out of shape it looks to me. Too hot and cold. Cadee sorry spud but you aren't NBL material. Perry is a good pick up and should be retained.
I like the look of Humphries and I would get rid of Pineau. Armpit pass. Tommy gone already next season. Blanchfield is way over rated. I think JVG look at what they have done before in a team that makes some of these players look good without realising that they may not be able to do the same in another line up. Season's already over and someone somewhere very quickly needs to sort out whats gonna wo happen next season very very soon.

Maybe with all this dysfunction, Lisch will want to return to Perth!

Who gives a rats if Tyler has passion,his defence is non existant. He's the first name on top of Boone's Xmas card list this year!
As for Dwayne,really mate you beat the wooden spooners and you are carrying on like a pork chop.
Where were all these gun players in Cairns?

Herve...generally teams like a player with a bit of fire and passion, Tyler has that. However, he needed to be restrained by a couple of people and even then he wasn't cooling off, that's a risk to the team where other teams can exploit hot-headedness (if that is a proper word).

"Sit this one out and look to next year!" should be printed on a banner and hung in Qudos Bank Arena, considering it's been our unofficial tagline since re-entering the league.

I'm not going to give up on Sydney just yet, they have Lisch to come back and he may be the stabilising influence they need to give it a good crack.

I'm not suggesting they will make the playoffs, but at least they will be better than this.

WookieE - I doubt Newley will get a gig in Europe, hes lost his step big time from last year.

Did I hear right that Randle has a 1 year option after this year.

If so, keep you core together, dump Tyler and upgrade the 5 spot and have one more run at it.

Look at Hardick at the Tigers in the AFL, 5 years of under-performing and they win the flag.

I think sacking coaches with time to run on their contracts, unless it's untenable, has been shown not to work in recent years.

Kings fans just need to sit this one out and look to next year (says smug United fan ;)).

The way this season going with 2 leading teams, 15 wins may be bare minimum and might need % to help you get in. You're hoping they win 12 of 13 with 3 of those vs. Perth? I can't see Gaze beating Perth 3 times in a row with at least one in Perth arena.

Also 1 more at Cairns, possibly with them at full strength with Jawai and the Volcano back... yeah, nah I don't think so AshT. They'd do well to go 8-5. That will put you at 11-17, still in wooden spoon territory.

So even if they give 110% it won't be enough? :O

Once Lisch is back and going Kings can still make playoffs if they win a dozen of their last ten (just to carry on the commentary theme).

Anonymous #661386 I am going to have to slightly question your credibility to troll referee's as Mayberry was not appointed to this game.

What a fucking mess... I had to stop watching at quarter time and then skipped ahead on social media and just deleted the game from my foxtel box...

I just can't anymore... The effort on the court from the players is nothing but pathetic... Tyler is the only one showing any passion, but ruins it by acting like a child... When it takes three coaches to hold him off and then he still doesn't listen so has to be dragged off, THAT is a problem...

Players have given up... Kevin coming back might give them a bit of a boost, but that won't last long... Newls will break his contract with a Euro out clause, I think Kev might stick around due to family stuff and put up with a bit as he's on a pretty good deal for an older player that wasn't showing much before he got injured, I doubt he'd get such value next time around...

The virus has spread to the players and that's some of the worst on court effort I've seen...

I am surprised that Barlow's cheap shot on Randle did not get much attention. To me that was clearly a moving screen. Since when do you legitimately use your back to screen someone in transition. I thought it was an automatic block that should have been called. Referees should be trying to eliminate (a la flopping) this sort of play.

Would Gaze be that selfish to stay in a job where he openly admits he's not helping the team to win?

Tylers tantrum was due to seeing how may mins Cadee plays and then seeing his stats.
Tylers was returning more even when he fouled out in 2 mins.

Cadee and defence should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

2 of the most consistent nbl coaches McLeod and Dennis are available for work.both have runs on the ball with low budget teams. The Kings gig would be suited to either.

Gaze will not quit because of 2 reasons.

1) He wants to save his reputation in the basketball
community by showing he's not a quitter.

2) His agreement to jvg in accepting the coaching position
was to have a guaranteed contract of $400K a year for 3
years. He will have to be sacked and be paidout this
season and next!

Lister is the new Hudson.

I'd rather Cadee react to his own horrendous play on both ends the past handful of games by giving a damn rather than pull faces when Tyler fires up, but YMMV.

I know this has been covered here and I haven't bothered reading the detail but who was mainly responsible for recruiting? I believe jvg took the blame for that in his halftime interview a few weeks ago at the Hawks game?

Cos really, they started the season without a point guard or a decent Centre. (Then their best point guard and best player got injured). Then they recruited a guy with a history of questionable character. You could even say 2 guys with a history of questionable character if you wanna include Randle.

Blanchfield got injured too. At no time have they had a consistent lineup that resembles a balanced basketball team.

Gaze hasn't done himself any favours, but at the same time recruitment has been a complete schmozzle. I dunno. I tend to agree with Homicide- go 9-5 on the run home and try to keep Randle at least, plus most of the team and go again next year. Go 6-8 or worse and call it a day for Gaze. In between would be interesting

I think the best case scenario for Kings fans tired of JVG and Gaze is to have Lister move JVG to purely administrative/marketing. Unlikely Harvey will cut all ties with JVG on running the Kings.

Appoint someone else to basketball ops and hire a new coach for next season. This is pretty much the last game to wait and see for that miracle perfect run. Season is officially finished so might as well start contacting potential candidates.

Financially, it may be a modest loss this season but what a waste of time, reputation and opportunity to expand market share so far.

Yep, field a SEABL side and you've won 3 less games and saved over a million dollars.

That's thing all these big name high priced players when they could've just put out a team of no name young guys and they would've achieved the same result, bottom.

Gaze has already stated that publicly (he won't quit). Please Cadee retire.
Gaze needs to be sacked by the person that hired him (JVG) and then JVG needs to be sacked by clearly a board that the Kings have (again) that have no balls.
So much money being wasted on such poor talent only to get bottom of the ladder again.
Under Jvg's watch the worst Kings teams ever.

Well there you go Gaze just said emphatically he won't be quitting.

If Gaze goes and JvG stays, nothing changes.

After watching tonight's game it's very clear the Kings will be wooden spooners for a 2nd year in a row. No other coach in any sport in australia would keep their job or in the world for that matter!

Its time for JVG to have a man to man talk with gaze and let him know the players need a new coach.

Tonight was EMBARRASSING and its time for Gaze to go!

Watching the game i said to the wife , Tyler looks like his about to whack someone right before him and Ando started their little push and shove.

Gaze may not be the best coach, but what these players are dishing up out there on the court is absolute tripe and they should just forfeit the rest of the season, they clearly don't care.

Embarrassing. Kings should be relegated to Thursday nights at Sutherland.

They could go get LBJ, Durant and Curry for their 3 imports, chances are they'd lucky to be a .500 team with Gaze. They need a proper coach.

Kings already have Zach Randolph

Agreed Angus.

Goulding should probably remember how well he’s shot in other games before he starts talking to the kings bench.

Tyler what a little child

Grow a pair and focus on getting wins for your team

At least someone on the Kings is showing some fire. Honestly I'd rather that than standing around with their dicks in their hands like the other 4 guys on the court while they get spanked.

Dwayne Russell doesn't have a F%&king clue about basketball!

That’s pretty poor there by Goulding...I’m a Melbourne supporter, he does make it hard to like him.

Nice slide tackle by Goulding, lucky to not get the yellow card there.

Homicide would put 80% of the blame on the players I'd say, based on his comments.

Tommy Greer and Homicide were both ask by Russell should Gaze be the Kings coach next year.

Greer answer was diplomatic by saying.. its gaze decison.

Homicide who has been harsh on players that aren't playing well didn't have the balls to even say anything. #PissWewakHomicide!!

Gaze got nothing left in his tiny bag of tricks, there is not much proper plays being run out there. Its just Randle making on-the-floor decision on offense or individual player doing their one-on-ones. Nothing much going on defensively either, some token 2-3, maybe I saw a junk a few times or something that's supposed to resemble one...

Can't motivate, can't communicate, can't teach and can't discipline. Homicide, usually full of bluster didn't dare to utter a single word when Russell asked if Gaze will coach the Kings next season. There must be a gag order from up top.

Goulding must've seen his name listed in the OVERRATED thread this week and it lifted his game?

The Barlow Karma bus has just run straight over Randle. Kings losing and Randle will now fake an injury, go down the race and sit for a while. Way to man up.