Hoops

United vs 36ers, Dec 22

Still the worst finish to an NBL game I can think of.

FSTOS, Joey Wright said in Sunday's presser they're not expecting Moore or Drmic for this week's game but are hopeful Creek will play.

Sorry, that was me above.

"Then you revert back to criteria 1 - no intent to play the ball. There are now 5 criteria"

He did play the ball. Have a look at these pics linked below if you honestly believe that it was an USF, Teys fulfilled all the criteria to make the defensive play he did.

https://twitter.com/pkpeninsula/status/945789862938001408

It's unfortunate it has been painted that the call was in line with the new FIBA rule when that certainly is not the case. It was an inexperienced ref making a mistake.

Whether it is to stop the break or stop the clock, if its in transition there is no difference.

Adelaide was 2 points down with 16 seconds to go. United scores, it's more or less game over. Stopping the fast break and stopping the clock are one and the same thing at that point in time.

Its still unnecessary contact in transition Paul. Dont get the 2 confused, stopping the break, stopping the clock. Unnecessary is unnecessary. Whether it is to stop the break or stop the clock, if its in transition there is no difference.

I just want to bring this thread back up to hear what the whinging Adelaide army has to say about the USF's on Barlow and Te Rangi tonight?

You can argue about the rule all you like. But it does seem that the Teys foul was in line with the current interpretation based on those 2 calls tonight

And it's got nothing to do with passion for my team- 2 of the wrong calls went against Melb and 2 went against Adl.

I know the rules. The calls were wrong.

Yeh there were at least 4 bad calls in the last minute but I'm not really going to argue it any more. I've outlined which ones were wrong

In the last 3 minutes there was only one obviously bad call.

Doesn't quite justify all the salty tears I just noticed when looking through this thread!

Just watched last 3 minutes of this. (Had office Party on Friday...).

Love em or hate em, the 36ers are an entertaining team.

The Sobey offensive with 50 secs left was horrible. A really bad call.

But I have no issue with the Teys USF. If you're going to clumsily lunge across your opponent in a poorly diaguised attempt to stop an upcoming fast break, you probably deserve to get penalised for that.

The Goulding flop was probably the right call under the current interpretation. The current interpretation is dumb though. But that's a different issue.

I hope these two meet in the playoffs, cos there will be some feeling!

How many times do you hear a coach post game say their is no point contacting the league with an issue because they know they won't respond. Definitely communication problems.

Qean

Agreed. Communication skills are definitely needed at all levels of refereeing. Players and coaches also need to be able to communicate. This needs to be facilitated by the league.

IMHO, the standard of refereeing can’t be fixed quickly, but the communication issues could be at least partially dealt with through better planning before the season begins. Get the refs together with the coaches pre-season. The NBL need to decide what style of game they’re trying to encourage and communicate this clearly before the season starts. Then in-season, provide all coaches with a legitimate forum to air their grievances appropriately and keep it “in house”. People are less likely to be emotional once they’ve had time and are away from the heat of the moment. Refs might be more prepared to acknowledge, “Yeah, not my best call” in a more appropriate environment. Review post-season. Tweak for following season.

As it stands, it’s a bad look for a league that wants to grow.

Lots of past players and coaches getting on social media to vent about the refs the last few days. According to the game review all the calls were fine though. Get you're heads out of you arses NBL!

By "we" I mean all the fans watching not just 6ers

I've never seen such a reaction to the refs as this. Even Homicide after the game and NBL players from other teams on twitter saying "they were confused by what they had just watched"(obviously being polite and avoiding fines). It looked to be a close finish but we got screwed.

A lot of people don’t understand there is no longer a professional foul. If you are trying to foul and your intent is to foul, then that is unsportsmanlike. The intent of the game is to put the ball into the basket and try and stop the other team putting the ball in your basket. No where in the intent of the game was it conceived that people would intentionally foul, gee we played 50 years with an intentional foul rule.

I thought Teys had a clear play at the ball during the crossover and intent was to get the ball and not foul. He seemed pissed he fouled in the first place. Then couldn’t believe he got an unsportsmanlike. Shorter intent was only to foul, therefore should have been called as such. The Sixers would not have benefited from an early foul strategy hence you didn’t see anyone yelling to foul either.

Scott Butler was a flat referee, he always played second fiddle to Aylen and Mildenhall in the international arena. The direction and confusion which is this season comes from him. Noted Aylen kept a low profile and wasn’t clearly a visable part of the last minute.

Give it a rest. No one abused the refs. Certainly not Shorter.

Why should we just "get over it"? We're the paying public and if we're not happy with the product because it's being ruined by poor officiating then we are entitled to call it out. The officiating was abysmal in the final minute, there's no other conclusion that can be drawn.

Perhaps the refs should look back at how the refs of days gone by handled situations like that. Guaranteed it would have been a hell of a lot better than that.

Teys was just plain beat on the play, and committed a bone head foul.

Nobody is arguing it wasn't a foul. Of course he was trying to foul. The fact it was called an unsportsmanlike when it could be argued he was making a play at the ball is what is up for debate. That and the 2 techs and a couple of other bad calls before that.

Well said, Snooch.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/basketball/current-and-former-nbl-players-slam-referees-after-controversial-call-in-melbourne-united-win-over-adelaide/news-story/ea5912e0fb0c46f59aab35f79100843c

NBL head of referees Scott Butler weighed in on the unsportsmanlike foul against Teys.

“It’s actually correct, it’s 100 per cent correct and it can’t be anything else but that,” Butler said.

Butler, who reviews every NBL game, said the referees did a “solid job”.

“You’re always going to get those really high pressure, bang, bang, decisions where it all happens at once ... and you need the slow-mo to be 100 per cent the call was right,” Butler said.

“By and large the guys did a solid job on what was actually a difficult game to referee.”

So , I read majok was out , but he played a good game with hodgson doing a weigh .
sixers development players trying to guard ware ... not a pretty sight...

The refs fucked that game, and it was the same ref making all the calls.

You don't call an unsportsmanlike foul with 13 secs, he needs to understand the part of the game, adelaide needed to foul cause they were down 2. its a shit call.

CASE CLOSED

Having just watched the replay:

The tech on Goulding for flopping - wrong.
The offensive foul on Sobey - wrong.
The unsportsmanlike on Teys - questionable - could be argued he was making a play at the ball but can actually live with it being unsportsmanlike.
The tech on Childress - couldn't see but would say over-reaction.
The common foul on Shorter - wrong (it was less a play on the ball than Teys)
The tech on Shorter - wrong.

The reffing in that last minute was, at best, laughable.

Is anyone talking about Hogdson's poor play?

For someone with high hopes this year, he was an absolute non-factor last night.

The fact that he cannot spin to his right in the post is his most glaring down fall.

Is he prepared to work hard on his game to devolved a right baby hook (like what Brandt has with Perth).

On a side note, they said Chris Anstey was his mentor, not a great choice for his game as Anstey was a perimeter player.

Although he plays for Adelaide I would like to see him develop for the Boomers and not just rest on his laurels.

Thoughts...

It's simply a matter of Fiba having enough brains to write in a 'late-game' exemption to the unsportsmanlike foul rule.

Either that or NBL thinks outside the box and doesn't officiate the Fiba rule

I said to my son when Adelaide had free throws and got within a basket that the refs will bail Melbourne out because that's who there got money on then next Adelaide possession they call Sobey for a push off.WOW i see that 100 times a game and i was going for Melbourne but i can't stand SHIT refs.The refs are deciding the results which makes me think there got money on the games.If i could bet Beattie/Townsend is doing the Hawks/Perth game i would because those two are corrupt.

http://basketballvictoria.com.au/1387-2/

I found this online. Suggest watching the video from 10:30 and having a look at 13:00 min mark (The foul on 9w). The answe is here.

The USF on Teys was arguably correct, but then why was Shorter called for a common foul when he committed an identical foul on the very next possession?

A: the refs make it up as they go along. Hence Sobey picked up the offensive foul late-game that had no business being called in the context of that game, Goulding picked up a flopping tech when he was legitimately bowled over, and DJ picked up a tech for... what, exactly?

When trying to intentionally foul, it's probably best to try and draw a charge rather than using your arms

He made a play at the ball.

believe me I'm never one to defend umpires...but

those intentional/unsportsmanlike fouls called late in the game are in line with recent FIBA rule changes.

Gone are the days of just grabbing a player to send them to the line. If you DON'T make a definite play of the ball it's to the line and maintain possession from the sideline.

The Sixers know the new ruling, they just played dumb down the stretch and still bitched and moaned.

read the rules...

Considering how they played in the first 3 quarters Adelaide were lucky to get as close as they did. The refs did cost them a chance at winning but it was still looking like a very small chance.

Having said that if the NBL does have some close connections with true NBA now as LK and other NBL management have said. I think they should organise a retired NBA red to come in and do a full review of thebNBL referees.
Review the whole process, games, the level of teaching, if the should be full-time.
They need someone from the outside with no existing views or agenda to do a thorough review and sort this out. It is getting embarrassing and must be fixed to move the league forward.

They aren't learning. They're getting worse.

Joey Wright said he’s never been involved with anything like that before, which is what he says every game that he blames the refs for his team losing.

Childress should have been T’d up during the last quarter when he drove on Goulding and missed a lay up, then started swinging his elbow in the tussle for the ball.

This was a great learning point for up and coming referees. The correct call is not always the RIGHT call. When the game melts down and you are throwing Techs all over the place to professional players that is your management error.

Aylen should have been told to pull his head in the day after giving Joey a tech just for asking for one.

It seems that United must not miss the finals again.

I think the common consensus is not that Adelaide should have won but that the ability to either win or have a close finish was removed by the officiating. Horrible end to what should have been a close game.

What a farce. The referring needs fixing asap. 36ers partially to blame through. DJ and Shorter: Don't gesture, swear or abuse refs when you disagree with calls. They should always be techs IMO.

Have been a Utd member for years but still didn't leave feeling good about what I saw for either team. I won't be renewing my membership more so for the lack of professionalism and sincerity in the league and its management. Absolute farce.

I also wonder how this kind of refereeing influences imports to reconsider their options at the end of a contract.

My reference to Abyssinia is obviously deliberate because the standard of refereeing there is significantly superior to the NBL

I am a one eyed, biased, rose-coloured glasses 36ers fan.

In 25 years of following the game closely I cannot recall ever seeing a worst refereed game of basketball with more pathetically ridiculous calls.

What the f is with calling an unsportsmanlike in the last minute against a guy trying to put the offensive player to the line. Please provide footage of any similar refereeing call Abyssinia the world ever for comparison sake.

Seriously, the umpires have been terrible for ages but this game has me questioning a 25 year commitment to this league and this team. It’s just not worth it.

LK fix up the umpiring or you have lost yet another fan. I will stick to watching NBA highlights.

You don't practice shooting at training after under 14s, you practice in your own spare time.

@ Brunson
"You are right Ayjay how dare Wright shoot 4/18 from 3"

Joey is the coach and responsible for what happens at training and it is as plain as a wart on a withes nose that there needs to be some serious shooting practice from range.

Sixers shoot most of their points in the paint and they are excellent at doing that but they too frequently give up open outside shots through lack of confidence and drive into traffic to make much harder baskets.

The more our one faceted offense drives into congestion the more opposition contract their zone defense and with referees putting the whistle away we just continue to drive into turnovers.

Create a better outside scoring game and driving into the paint will be much more open as their defense has to reach and spread further out.

101 Brunson

Back to basics.

Feel for the game. Absolutely Sobey hit it on the head, you don’t make bullshit calls with 50 seconds to go.

Yes anon, Michael Aylen does live in SA but somehow I don't think where a ref lives leads them to be influenced in their calls? My take was that he was the best of the three tonight. Chris Reid baffles me week in and week out no matter what game he refs, he is usually responsible for absolute howlers and confusing, inconsistent calles. The young ref, Jon Chapman appears to call what he thinks he sees and likes to get in the way of the game flow and common sense. Very frustrating for fans a like. I find myself each game commenting on how ordinary so many calls are for both teams and I can see why the players and coaches are getting more and more frustrated given that they are impacted so much more than us fans.

Strange I thought Michael Aylen lived in SA now. Shame the SA fans don't know that. I thought they were so knowledgeable