Hoops

Unsportsmanlike foul

"Fiba have just ruined the game of basketball with this rule change, up 6 with not long left there is no way you can win."

No they haven't. What is being called in the NBL isn't consistent with the rule or with what's being called in other leagues. The issue is with the implementation here, not with the rule.

The only real change in practical terms with late-game fouling is you have to get legal position first. Once you've done that you should be fine if it's called correctly.

So the Teys foul at the end of the game where he was in front of Hooley and reached at the ball while making body contact (because an offensive player is always going to try to keep the ball away from a defender) is always going to be called an unsportsmanlike foul then? From what's happening in the games following that one it's not looking too consistent.

I'm with D2.0 and a lot of others on this topic. Make a genuine attempt to steal the ball. If you foul the player, it's a foul, straight up. Free throws, if you're in the bonus, possession if not.

Deliberately foul the player, just to stop the game, when you have no chance of making a steal without fouling and it's unsportsmanlike.

By the way (and I don't often agree with him) PeterJohn is absolutely correct about the likely outcomes of late-game foul fests. They rarely work, anyway. It's ugly basketball, to boot.

The intent of the rule IMHO has always been to stop defenders deliberately fouling to stop the flow of the game. They have simply tightened and clarified this.

It's not so much "different rules in the last 2 minutes" as it is recognition that this is when the tactic is most likely to be deployed.

I can recall one game when Trev kept subbing Hire in, purely so he could foul, then subbing him straight out again. It was ugly.

This should also stop the tactic whereby defenders were trying to foul the worst shooter, even when he didn't have possession.

For mine, its simple. Instead of just picking out the worst shooter and wrapping your arms around him, you have to make a proper play for the ball. And hey, maybe you get lucky and get the steal.

Ok. So from what I can gather nobody is really sure what the hell is going on. Everyone has a different take on it. Great rule change....

Teys clumsily lunged across his opponent. I'm not sure how that's supposed to be remotely "legal".

Paul Teys put his arm across the waist of the offensive player. He didnt play the ball. He tried simply a Euro foul. That is not legal. He was not even close to the ball.

I'm not the one creating controversy

Just pointing out that the Teys call was equally correct

You keep trying to make it happen but both those calls were correct so there is no controversy

I expect this conversation on USF interpretation may continue after the USF's on Barlow and Te Rangi tonight.

I'd say the adjustment that players will need to make is that rather than automatically look like he wants to frisk his opponent.. he actually goes for a steal. If he is successful in stealing .. its a bonus because his team now has possession and hasn't had to give away a foul. The team thats just turned it over will now also possibly be a bit more hesistant the next time up the floor.

Team now know that they are going to be fouled down the stretch and thus make sure that the ball is in the hands of reliable FT shooters.... thus why the "foul the team & send them to the line" doesn't work that many times.

Also .... the casual fan ( who can become a rusted on fan if treated right) DOES see the send to the line tactic as less than appealing ( I know .. because I am a basketball convert). Hence the joke about the last 2 mins of games lasting a lifetime.

Hey we already have a Melbourne United. Lets get yellow and red cards too.

All I know is that I used to enjoy watching the end of a close game but now it's bloody terrible.

Rhys martin should be sent out every game for multiple flops. Every time he is defending he falls over. Is he that weak physically?

The thing is that it won't stop fouling, teams aren't going to think we won't do it in case we get called for an unsportsmanlike, they'll actually have to make a hard attempt at the ball resulting in a slight increase in chance of injury. Why not tell the ref I'm fouling, when the opponent has the ball touch them and the call is made.
Sure it sometimes is painful, especially when teams foul when they're down by ten with ten seconds to go. But making clutch shots is part of the game. And it certainly takes the uncertainty out of the refs hands.

Leave the flopping calls to soccer.

Get rid of flopping calls while you're at it. Just let them sit on their arse and get scored on if they flop like the old days.

This emphasis on unsportsmanlike fouls being called on players near the end of a game was always going to cause some issues where teams need to foul to get the opposition on the line as time runs out.

The NBL is our pinnacle, they have to sort it out, but it always comes down to some interpretation. That's where the real issue lies, the quality of the officials to be able to read the state of the game and not influence it unfairly.

This is not going to be an easy fix, now that the rule is the subject of 'point of emphasis'...

How do the ego driven refs pay those at the end of games yet don't pay jervis flattening newley today? What part of the ball was jervis going for?

I missed the game last night. Is there anywhere online I can be pointed towards to see what's being talked about?

You either have a free throw “marathon” or each game where a team is up by 6 with under a minute to go is a foregone conclusion. At least intentionally fouling makes it a contest.

The only reason the fouls take so long is because of the timeouts in between. An NBA game will take 20 minutes to close out if its televised.

And if you honestly think the NBL is going to compete with the AFL and NRL based on changing rules you're kidding yourself.

The refs fucked that game, and it was the same ref making all the calls.

You don't call an unsportsmanlike foul with 13 secs, he needs to understand the part of the game, adelaide needed to foul cause they were down 2. its a shit call.

CASE CLOSED

"how can you have different rules in the last minute to the rest of the game."

This is already the case e.g. fouling before the ball has been inbounded is not an USF until the final 2 mins.

The general punter couldn't give two hoots about how many free throws are taken.

Free throw marathon? Whatever. It's a tactic that's been used since the dawn of time and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. Now you're actually asking referees to make a distinction on whether a player is making a play on the ball or not? It's stupid.

Just doing some thinking about building my own house etc, and i've got some room out the back for a 1/2 sized basketball court.

What would it cost roughly to build say a half court sized court? Full floorboards, good rims etc too. Could do all my individual sessions there, and hire it out to other coaches etc to help recoup some of the cost.

Just wondering on prices more than anything else, and have no idea where to start.