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Mornington "Breakers" Crisis

Sadly yes, long enough to see a dismally poor Mornington team,literally beaten up by very young players from Sharks who were just having a run. I couldn't recall seeing any of the Mornington Players play last season.

Were you there Jack?

YLW have started with a bang losing by 70+ points in a practice game to the Sharks who looked like they just coasted for the majority of the game. Better hope that they were short 1 or 10 players from their regular season team or it is going to be a hell of a long season....... Looking forward to seeing how the women's team go in their practice match(es).

Given the question mark over the women's program now, can anyone from Breakers confirm if the women's numbers are even close to a full list? Good mail is that there are a few less than first thought / advised. Fair chance that the women's team will be next to go. Is it time that Big V get involved and do some due diligence and make a call to get a guarantee from the club before finalising fixtures.

I heard there were about 20 at the YLW training the other night so recruiting must be going ok...

Painfully obvious 173 is a Mornington board member. Can smell the arrogance through the screen I read it on.

Some people on here need to start exercising instead of typing !
If you are going to learn you need to listen. What’s the saying when you talk uou are only repeating what you already know !!
Anon above you are kidding me. Surely these days there is no need to have a YL or senior coach who is also trying to play in the opposite sexs’ Senior team.There are plenty of excellent coaches out there. I looked at both YL programs at Mornington they now have experienced coaches. Neither of whom are trying to play I presume ! Surely this is a positive step. If the previous coach is so good then he’ll pickup another gig in no time. If he wasn’t then he won’t !!

Yes it’s disappointing about the men’s team but they have 2 years to sort this out.
With pressure on women’s sport from the AFL (count the number of bball layers out there tonight) the club can not afford to lose their women’s senior team even if it means playing some younger ones. At the end of the day it’s D2W not SEABL or WNBL.
Good luck to the Breakers - they’ve made some tough decisions now they need to follow it through. I’m sure they aren’t losing any sleep from some of the trolls writing
above.

The problem with the program isn't / wasn't the YLW coach. It looks like the YLW team did ok the seasons that he was coaching, which kind of indicates he wasn't too bad at what he was doing. Don't forget if a coach thinks he knows everything, he knows nothing, coaches are always learning. I assume, Anonymous #669846 you know how many games or training sessions he missed? If there was an issue I wouldn't have thought that the majority of the team would have left when he got politically dumped. Plenty of players have coached YL teams as well as playing themselves. Don't think it is right to have a pointless and unfounded crack at someone just giving a bit back to the club.

I don't think I saw a YLW game where the coach wasn't there. I also think that he had an assistant coach there as well. Hardly an issue I would have thought.

You will see a lot of non mature players in the women's team (if it goes ahead) this season also, it isn't confined just to the men's program.

2017 most of YLM players moved up to Mens while still eligible to play YL could have and should have been stopped by the people who run the club. This will happen again. When you look a the ages of the YLM players now most are 20 and under and that is at least 4 more years in YL. But can see this lot being moved up in a year or so. So we go back to the same situation as Anonymous Post#669846 "lack of mature and senior player". Straight back into the fish bowl.

I think the likelihood of no women's team(s) is very high.

I hear most of their women are no looking elsewhere and will leave once they secure another game. Is it possible they will not have enough to enter Women/s as well?

@ davidham, if you know of senior players looking for a game I may be able to help you.

Why would they put an announcement out. They believe that what they are doing is the best,you would have to think that as they are still doing the same thing. Unfortunately have to agree with a lot of the comments on here the program is a long way down from where it should be and it will take a long time to get is back to where it was in the not so long ago past. Sad for a once highly regarded club and juniors aspired to play for them.

I doubt that any of the COM or Management will have the stones to put their head up and make a public statement, despite it being a good idea. The club are so insular that they don't actually realise how poor their junior program actually is. What needs to happen is that the COM announce that they recognise the program is poor and that they will conduct an independent review of it and agree to accept any recommendations put forward. IMO the horse has bolted, lock the doors and walk away.

Not much in the way of good experience left there now is there. Feel sorry for the kids only problem is that the players and parents don't know any different and could be too late by the time the work it out.

WTH is a "COM"? TIA.

The problem is the COM couldn't give a rats about rankings and what level the juniors play. They justify everything with the bottom line. I'm sorry but you're running a not for profit community sporting organisation, not a publicly listed business on the stock exchange. You are there to provide value, not save on costs, two very different things.
Their logic is seniors don't bring in money, but cost, so in their eyes they can't see the logic in supporting it heavily. While junior teams bring in revenue with fees and little costs going out.

Hearing from multiple sources joint venture Big V program between WP and Mornington set in stone for 2019

Anyone know if junior programs merge as well?

WP had a team early 200's and pulled it around 2003 and re-entered 2005

SP pulled their Men 2015 and re-entered 2017

Frankston pulled their YL 2016 and re-entered this year

Mornington pulled their men this year


No other geographical area of Victoria has had this sort of issue in the Big V
Merger of some sort is clearly the only way forward

And add to that Frankston is hardly having a good time at the moment

Is everyone forgetting that SP had to pull their Mems team only two years ago and about 10 years ago WP did the same...

Three clubs on the peninsula and all three of them have had to pull their Mens team at some point.

Is everyone forgetting that SP had to pull their Mems team only two years ago and about 10 years ago WP did the same...

Three clubs on the peninsula and all three of them have had to pull their Mens team at some point.

Very clever, hire a coach who couldn't recruit and keep a squad together because of his antics, fails to get a team, then put him in charge of the youth team! Watch him shatter the confidence of these boys and chase more players away from the program. Terrible Jon doing their research before hiring and now not realising he reason why hey are in this current mess in the first place.

The latest I have heard is that Mornington and WP will 'merge' starting with a joint venture Big V program in 2019

This is good as it will mean there will finally be a club that can compete with Frankston in the area.

Youth League Men may also be pulled next week. Most of the players won't play at a club that has no senior team. I'll be gobsmacked if they have a team come round 1

On another note, I can confirm that in 2019 Mornington will be absorbed by Westernport Basketball Association. WP have already got things happening from their end.

But think of the money now saved!!!! (Sarcasm)

People are very reserved about attending AGM's now. You stand up for what you believe is the right direction and your kids end up paying for it. Then they have move on to get opportunities that are not available to them. AGM 3/4 years ago many people nominated but to no avail, at times it appeared to be open slather on some. Who could blame them for not putting themselves in that situation again. Many promises made but not many ended up being kept. Hence the start of the move out. Good people with lots of experience and a love of the"CLUB", now supporting other clubs with the same passion that is missing from whence they came. Why would you pay $100 membership just to vote at an AGM. If you are not a player/parent of a junior player/referee and at the moment coaches and team manager, you have to pay the $100 per year. Heard talk, and it may be just that but who knows, that it could be looked at that the only coaches & team managers to be able to vote will be "Breakers" coaches & team managers. What about all the domestic teams. If this is correct then no representation for the grass roots competitions and players.Is this not where your Junior REP players come from?

Anyone from Mornington want to guarantee 4 Big V teams for season 2018?

If the people interviewing for current men's coach had half a clue about his track record there is no way he would have been hired. It's shows how grossly incompetent they are

Do Mornington even have a DOC or similar?

Spot on Coach C. There hasn't been the emphasis on developing players with any sort of planning, ITP or even talent i.d. Also need to develop and support the coaches on an ongoing basis. Regional ball is a glorified domestic and the aim should be to have as few teams as possible playing in it. Needs to be a line put through the majority of players above u/12 or maybe u/14 and start again from scratch.

McKinnon snr women's and men's would hardly have one junior in their sides

Camberwell

Name a senior team that is successful that has the majority of its own juniors in the team?

In the senior league you need coaches that will use the club players including players that have been at the club but have moved due to the issues, including the comments above.There may be the opportunity for 1 or 2 outside players-sometimes they are value added-but be inclusive. Junior coaches can be a mix of experienced & parent coaches as you can end up some very good parent coaches but they all need direction and workshops to improve. No coach ever knows everything. #1 teams need the best coach even if it isn't the parent-that's what REP is about & people have to understand & accept that. All this comes from the top & if the top is inexperienced and cannot see that then it doesn't look good for a long long time. All decision made last for many years.

Coach Carter, yes that is how it should be however the coaching and development of players AND coaches is just not there at the moment. Just being a junior doesn't automatically mean you play senior basketball, you still need to be able to play at a fairly reasonable level. How many parents are coaching Mornington junior teams?

Who decides who are "best" players? One would think that this would be in the overall Big V competition, that would be a fair measure. If as people are saying- that most/all the better players are leaving - surely due diligence is required to find out why. Juniors being promoted to seniors - usually doesn't end well with out some experienced team members. Leaves a lot to young inexperienced heads. It is D2 but it is still a lot different to YL2 in both men's and women's. Pathways are the way - but this includes doing your time in Junior/YL & then to seniors. Little experience and jumping levels is not a great option. If they are not up to it and not competitive - what incentive is there for people to stay here and not look for better places for there children.

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With so many players allegedly moving on from the senior teams, I guess they’ll have new ‘best’ players!!!

Mike did you go to a bigger association like Frankston or Dandenong?
Or did you attend multiple tryouts from various clubs and simply pick who you thought was best? I’m interested in how you picked your new club and for what reasons.
Like how do you know the new coach/ program will be better than the one you’ve left.

Will be interesting in a couple of weeks for the two bays cup when each senior team goes against western port.

Certainly has been heading that way for a few years now. And that number of juniors doesn't include those that have walked away from the game. Noticed coaches going to other clubs as well -especially when some of these have been held in high regard at there- not good.Definitely will make people sit up and ask questions.An yes what is with the uniform going to Black - no tradition no history - just a run of the mill uniform that means nothing.

not afraid to tackle the big issues here

Their strategy of only hiring Americans for any doc etc type position reeks of incompetence.