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NBL 2018 Awards Night

Christ. Just as I thought I was making progress, LoveBroker. There goes my '1 week' pin. In the trash

"-Fans "

Fans?

Which fans?

Cairns fans are liable to still vote Scottie Wilbekin.

Cotton

Damo

yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh YEH

We number 1 baby and it feels so good

So under this proposal, at least 20% of the votes go straight to United players.

I think having game-by-game voting is a positive for our system compared to the NBA, as it removes recency bias.
And a definite no to fans being involved! Not too keen on media either.

I think they should do a sort of NBA style kind of vote.

End of the season get 5 groups:
-Players
-Coaching staff (Head coach and assistants)
-Fans
-Media (commentators, journal's, sports anchors, etc)
-League staff (owner, CEO, refs, officials, etc)

Everyone votes in each group. Each group gets an equal 20% weighting towards the overall winner.

League can still do their Brownlow style awards night and reveal the votes for each of the 5 groups through the night. Gets based on a players whole season so it rewards consistency. Votes coming from a wide range of people. Fans have a small say in it hopefully limits complaints.

Well that's even worse then. I didn't watch it thankfully.

They didn't copy the AFL system though. They made an even worse version.

NBL copying the crappy AFL formula irks me. Come up with something better for an MVP system.

He's still here now, I doubt he'll still be here in a month (which is when people are suggesting it should take place).

McCarron and Humphries would be absent then too, would they not?

If it's not held straight after regular season end, most imports would be gone and couldn't except an award. Afl don't have this problem.

Interstate teams do go to the Brownlow medal in thevafl unless they are in the gf.

The awards should be held the Tuesday straight after the regular season with finals starting the following weekend, no excuses for awards winners not to show. As previously said 5,4,3,2,1 should be allocated after each game by the coaches or 3,2,1 by coaches but not allowed to vote for own team. Rookie of year is not a major prize but would be nice to see a better system as well, With this year only 3 nominations and one player hardly got on the court and the winner being not that good.

Cotton was literally the favourite going in despite a fair few tipping Conger. Off the top of my head most betting agencies had him around $2, Conger $4 and then everyone else $10+.

I don't think you can really argue with Cotton winning, he's still a reasonable winner. Its easy to say Conger may have had the better and more consistent year, but that's not how the award works. Has anyone actually done their own game by game votes for every game of the season? If you have then I think you'd find Cotton winning or not far behind. While incosistent he obviously played well enough in enough games to score the most votes.

The NBL showing game by game votes would probably help clear things up and give some people a better understanding of when/how he got his votes.

Thanks for clarifying that :)

This is another season which when you look back on the list of NBL MVPs and see Cotton for 2017-18 you will be thinking "oh?"... unless something magical happens in the playoffs, even though it's a regular season award.

I feel bad for Perrin Buford...Although let out of his contract he definitely was one of the best imports, should of won Defensive Player of Year and probably should of been on the All NBL 2nd team...

I was under the belief that the coaches could only allocate points to the opposing team, not their own. Anyone know if this is correct?

With how the voting system works, I thought Conger was a lock to be honest.

With how the voting system works, I thought Conger was a lock to be honest.

That's just based on my recollection of the season. I know he had a lot of games where he didn't do much until late, so that probably colours my memory of him this year.

Did Cotton really have a sub par season? It did seem like he struggled at times this season, but looking at the numbers;

He led the league in total points and came 3rd in points per game (19.4ppg). Randle and Conger were 19.7ppg. This also includes the NBL season high of 36 points in a single game.

He made the most 3 pointers and shot it at a league leading 45% (for players shooting more than one 3 per game).

3.3 reb, 3 assists, 1.2 steals per game.

He led his team to 3rd on the ladder and into the finals.

Bryce Cotton did all this....while appearing to have a sub par season.

Without going back and looking at boxes, it really felt to me like Cotton had a lot of subpar games this season. Shocked he won as clearly as he did, but thinking back, even when Cotton struggled, who else on that team was stealing votes from him? Tokoto came out of the gates strong but didn't really maintain that consistently. Otherwise, guys like Wagstaff/Brandt/Walker had the odd big night here and there, but that's it really. So I guess it shouldn't be as big a shock as first thought.

Oh, Manu thinks he’s smart....how cute.

The good thing with coaches voting in this system they vote for the other team, so no bias can be shown towards their own team.

'Goatmentator' is a tacky moniker.

One of the great challenges in life is to tolerate people who aren't sharp of mind. I'm pretty sure that's why you remain anonymous, bud

The only way they could get away from the deficiencies of this voting system is to just vote at the end of the season instead of each round. The round for round count during the dinner couldn't take place though which isn't as good for marketing.

Well done Bryce, although surprising i don't think there was a real stand out this season, as there has been in past seasons. His season statistically as a whole wasn't a whole different to any of the others in the running.

Of all the voting systems, having the coaches deciding it is a close as you could get to being fair IMO. The good thing with coaches voting in this system they vote for the other team, so no bias can be shown towards their own team.

I am happy for Cotton but those votes really obstruct history and how we will remember it as I thought it was an really open race and for much of the season I thought Conger and Buford would tie.

Glad to see a Wildcat win but I hope we don't win the award next year, I'd love to think that Brandt, Steindl and others will step up and we become a more evenly spread team.

Well done to all that won awards especially Damo on winning his last DPOY award as that will be going to McCarron next year.

I thought the awards night was pretty good and I enjoyed it but can't help but think that the Kestleman sporting apparel will be worn by teams next season... I hope they are fantastic.

As for Goatmentator, I thought he had some awesome rhymes but his voice grinded on me and he just felt like he was trying too hard but glad to see NBL trying things

The year Conklin won over Daniel Johnson was a farce. At least Cotton is part of the leading pack even if people weren't expecting it.

TBH Cotton surprises me also, but congrats to him.

"I think most people would agree that those voting view value a lot differently to the fans here. Cotton shouldn't have been MVP."

So those qualified to vote don't know about player values, but you do and yours is the only correct interpretation?

Shouldn't you be watching Netflix? Thats your go to hiding spot when NBL isn't going your way right?

Feel free to come back once you've understood what Bigotry means as well.

Not certain homicide will be happy either. It just proves the coaches shouldn't vote, why vote for a player that could hurt your own player.

Price of cotton just went up?

Cotton has been overpriced most of the season.

Goatmentator is pretty tacky. You'd think people would pay homage to such a creative dude in a more creative way. Slap goat on a word and it's a thing. It's pretty lazy

I think mvp should be from a team in the playoffs. I really felt like there was no clear mvp this season. It could have gone to a handful, out of the 4 playoff teams cotton was probably the most consistent in a team with less players taking votes from him consistently, even in his down games, he was probably one of perths best.

Tsm unlucky not to get mvp. He just edged Chris buckets patton

GOATmentator Beau Estes?

He's not carried them for a while. Too inconsistent and frustrating.

What was the peak no. of viewers of the stream?

I don't get how some people are so surprised or think he's undeserving. He was a fairly hot favourite with all the bookies.

Personally thought Conger would win (with Cotton a close 2nd) just because he was more consistent, but you can easily understand how Bryce won. He had a number of games where be carried the Cats and would have scored max votes, and a fair few where he still would have gotten some votes. While he was inconsistent, he still had a great year and was huge for the Cats. Seeing the actual breakdown of votes would be interesting.

Cotton WTF. No. 'Cats have been pathetic... oh that explains it, no one else taking votes from him apart from Tokoto. Speaking of which both were in the top 5? Really? They have both failed to lead the team since Knight retired.

The Red Army can count themselves lucky the membership packets for 2018/19 season have already been released.

Membership costs might have been a whole lot more expensive had they come out at the end of this week.

The price of Cotton just went up.

Cotton won. Wow. Didn't see that coming. Well done to him though.

Whats not to get? The votes are awarded to the best players on each team every game. Its irrelevant who wins or loses, or who scored the most baskets for the season.

Cotton, while deserving, was a benefactor of the current voting system as there wasn't no one outside of Tokoto regularly taking the 3 votes away from him each game.

At least NBL starting to become and look like a professional organisation, most of the awards are debatable and other than coach and best sixth man I don't agree with any but no voting system is foolproof though they should try and improve it.

Cotton average votes per game: 4.18

Randle average votes per game: 4.16

How did cotton increase his lead over cotton in the last block of games when they played one less than illawarra and that was when perth lost 4 out of their last 6 games too. As well as conger overtaking cotton in the scoring title races I just don't get it

With regard to MVP voting, scoring counts for too much in a league where points are shared so evenly across a team's roster

Cotton wasn't even the best player on his team this season. Tokoto was a much better all round player. I thought coaches were looking for guys who influence games with defense and hustle and didn't just give votes to the top scorer. Obviously not it seems nbl coaches are pretty dumb

Yeah halfway through a thought then sidetracked.

Most people would agree that the NBL MVP voters are off the mark with what they deem valuable. We've seen the wrong MVP time after time, and I'm only talking about the recent past. But of course, it's all subjective