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Should the NBL or NBL Clubs move into pokies

That's great value, though I don't think I could even physically eat $20 worth of chips.

Pokies don't generate money, they take it. Buy the time you rent the machines and licences, pay the management fee, and pay the government taxes, that is a huge net flow of cash OUT of your community.

Are pokies even legal in other states? I know some are, but I thought many still weren't (like WA.)

And where exactly should they put them? I wasn't aware that teams had Leagues Clubs or similar?

Gambling apologists also need to wake up to reality.
Claims that "most people are responsible gamblers" are misleading. That's like saying that most people in America don't shoot people, so they don't have a gun problem.
Do you really think the Billions of dollars they rake in come from "responsible gamblers" occasionally dropping $20???
The Crown casino runs a "club" where for TEN dollars, you get a coach ride to the casino, nice lunch, a beer, and $20 worth of chips. And yes, MOST people spend only the $10.
So HOW do you figure they make money from this??
Its because a small percentage of people will get hooked, and start dropping serious money. And sadly, its not people who can afford it.

If the NBL went with the "Hokey Pokey" they could turn themselves around!

Are NRL also moving away from pokies? I doubt it.

AFL clubs can afford it, or the league can at least. NBL clubs don’t exactly have the same financial security.

almost impossible to give up but the trend in afl is clubs giving it up?

36ers could do well from pokies. Their members are already happy to pour their $$ into something that gives no chance of a return.



Just kiddIng guys.

The AFL clubs are doing the right thing by beginning to get out of pokies, most are moving in this direction already. The money would certainly be tempting to NBL clubs but once it becomes a revenue source it’s be almost impossible to give up, and wouldn’t be a good look for the NBL brand..

How about a tax on moronic ideas?
"LoveBroker" would fund the entire NBL

Agreed.

We have banned online Poker like Pokerstars as well.

It's a joke the worst form of gambling being machines are everywhere but live betting on sport is restricted and recently online poker was banned. They pick and choose what is allowed as the TAB/bookies grease the wheel.

How the F did Australia get to this point where machines are everywhere. I'm in WA where we don't have them but over east they are everywhere which is unbelievable to me?

About 18% of people who gamble suffer some kind of harm from gambling, but when it comes to pokies, that number is over 33%, which makes it the most harmful form of gambling (next is race betting at around 25%)

govermints is bad

These electronic machines make gambling look bad. How the F did Australia get to this point where machines are everywhere. I'm in WA where we don't have them but over east they are everywhere which is unbelievable to me? Totally disgusting. and because of the machines being harmful but abundant it is an excuse to restrict other forms of gambling but not the machines (sports bettors/poker players will know what I mean). Disgusting state and federal governments.

NBL needs more gambling not less of it.

some of you are saying gambling sponsorship should be banned like tobacoo, well don't complain if the NBL has less money as no gambling sponsors so less money on good players and a viable league. But hay the average aussie comes first to you not a viable NBL right? Give up getting Bryce Cotton standard imports then with your doing the "right thing" atittude, enjoy the moral high ground and public health concerns as in return you will kill the NBL or have it a drop in standard. But hay if it means saving aussie lives that's what counts right? Um wrong, the NBL doesn't have to give 2 hoots about the average aussie, I want bryce cotton imports damn it not Bo Lu standard or Jim Havrilla standard.. Oh and chris golding types will leave oz but hay you lot are happy to watch Kyle adlam instead right despite being an inferior player..

I can reconcile with my position because I know most people will be responsible gamblers. The small section of the community sans self control and personal responsibility will go down their path whether it's pokies or Crown.

Pokies have self limiting technology and also one can exclude oneself. The necessary controls are there.

If these people continue to slip through the cracks, it's the person in the mirror that is the issue

All the above is 100% the fault and responsibility of the individual.

Not the club.

Not the machine.

Not Aristocrat Ltd.

Lights, jingly music, colours don't get people hooked on gambling. People get themselves hooked on gambling.

Pokies are not family friendly.

Pokies could potentially work in the eastern states, but would you morally support your club profiting from harming the vulnerable?

“But have you seen the damage pokies have inflicted on the most socioeconomically disadvantaged areas of NSW, Vic and Qld? The registered clubs boast about their community contributions. They're smart about it, handing out sums that are small compared to their poke revenues but large to the recipients. The best thing for a person to do with these clubs is to join the club with the best meals, at the cheapest member rate ($10 for 3 years is possible) and never set foot beyond the poke demarcation line.”

Pokies operators target vulnerable people. There is well publicised research around the proliferation of the most profitable pokies in struggling communities, and how venues use the psychology of addiction to milk addicted punters for all they can.

I wrote above in response to a Nick Xenophon themed topic. Nothing has changed since then, although I’m sure quite a few more families have been torn apart or made homeless since then.

> but there will be a big boost in revenue every second Thursday to make up for it.

the fact you know there is a strong link to the most vulnerable members of society already tells us you know its a bad idea.

AFL/NRL seems to be loved by families despite their reliance on electronic machines.

Aussie Rules is a family sport.

They have CrownBet as a sponsor.

They also have Carlton Draught, Jim Beam and Wolf Blass as sponsors, doesn't excessive alcohol 'destroy families' too?

Then why is Ladbrokes a major sponsor of the NBL if you "don't want to be advocating" gambling?

yes, sport is a business and the clubs have every right to make money no matter how imoral if it's legal, get over it some of you. I'd rather the NBL stays financially viable and has better players even if it ruins people's lives, than a less higher standard of NBL. the NBL comes first the average aussie comes 2nd get over it some of you. And don't complain some of you if they don't do pokies for a greedy cash grab if it means the NBL has a lower standard. Even if people die via the nBL allowing clubs to have pokies if it means a higher standard of NBL then that's all that counts, otherwise don't whinge if the standard is lower and less financially viable. Get over it, the NBL doesn't have to care about the average aussie, if your so outraged you should campaign about making pokies illegal..

As said above, WA Doesn't allow pokies outside of the Casino. And event if they did, the major sponsor of the Cats is 'Alcohol, Think Again'...great message to send out 'Alcohol, think about gambling instead'

The idea that people can just walk away is to not understand the entire design and affect of the machine, the addiction it creates is not something people can just choose to walk away from.

The idea that people can just walk away is to not understand the entire design and affect of the machine, the addiction it creates is not something people can just choose to walk away from.

I used to operate the Pussycat Club back in my home country of Belgium. I could advise on this new business venture with the Wildcats.

Do any NBL teams have club rooms or bars or wherever these pokie machines would be located?

Pokies work best when they're located in struggling areas. The double benefit is that the social problems they create are a long way away from the beneficiaries of the profits, so, out of sight, out of mind. Sounds like a win/win for an NBL club located in the heart of the city. That model seems to have worked for the Melbourne-based AFL clubs.

How would that work? Do any NBL teams have club rooms or bars or wherever these pokie machines would be located?

I am in full support of using pokies and gambling as a source of revenue for the NBL provided it is profitable for the clubs.

Pokies get a bad name, but most people gamble responsibly. No one is forced with a gun to their head to gamble.

You can put in as little as you want.

You can walk out at any time.

You can even choose not to go in. No one is forced to do anything they don't want.

There are mitigants to those who cannot control themselves like self-exclusion.

People want vices, allow NBL clubs to profit from it, they are going to do it whether NBL pokies are there or not.

If its not NBL pokies, it will be AFL/NRL pokies.

If AFL/NRL pokies are taken away they will go to Crown / Star City.

If Crown / Star City were torn down, they'd go to Bet365 / Sportsbet.

If be365 were taken away they'd go to the back of the local Chinese Restaurent.

"People will play pokies no matter who owns them, an NBL club could get in on the action with no impact"

I guess this is the same logic that allows drug dealers to sleep at night. It's harmful but there is a market so it might as well be me rather than someone else making big money off vulnerable people.

If the Cats did it they could kiss goodbye our memberships

People will play pokies no matter who owns them, an NBL club could get in on the action with no impact, do you hear about the money the Crows or Magpies make from Pokies? No they just take $10mil per year out of a pie that is not growing any larger or smaller based on ownership.

No.

If the Cats did it they could kiss goodbye our memberships

Awful way for a club to make money. Prey on its own members. Yuck. No thanks.

No.

The market is already saturated. Australia has 20% of the world's pokies.
I understand that 80% of the pokies are controlled by two players as well.

They do more damage than they should